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Re:Memory Leaks Detection Paper Co-Authored by Netflix CEO R... by ww520 on Sunday December 04, 2022 @08:15PM (#33860120)
No wonder Netflix has such a huge emphasis on engineering talent.
Re:Memory Leaks Detection Paper Co-Authored by Netflix CEO R... by gardenhedge on Sunday December 04, 2022 @08:44PM (#33860348)
But Netflix was originally DVD rental. At that time it wasn't a tech company was it?
Re:Memory Leaks Detection Paper Co-Authored by Netflix CEO R... by serf on Sunday December 04, 2022 @09:42PM (#33860791)
it absolutely was a tech company. the 'Cinematch' recommender , replaced eventually, was one of the differences brought-up in the netflix/blockbuster lawsuits.
Re:Memory Leaks Detection Paper Co-Authored by Netflix CEO R... by mwlp on Sunday December 04, 2022 @09:04PM (#33860518)
I follow Marc Randolph on Tiktok and he's spoken before that they knew things would eventually go online: https://www.tiktok.com/@marc_randolph/video/7079079298182909...
Re:Memory Leaks Detection Paper Co-Authored by Netflix CEO R... by gardenhedge on Monday December 05, 2022 @04:51AM (#33863491)
Is there anything to support that history? Documents from that 1997? Considering the company was founded by just trying to come up with random ideas I doubt they had too much foresight.
Re:Memory Leaks Detection Paper Co-Authored by Netflix CEO R... by znkynz on Sunday December 04, 2022 @08:46PM (#33860370)
Do you consider Amazon a tech company prior to AWS product launch?
Re:Memory Leaks Detection Paper Co-Authored by Netflix CEO R... by cjglo on Sunday December 04, 2022 @09:42PM (#33860788)
It was an online website right around the dot com bubble.

It definitely was a tech company by that time’s standards.

Nowadays every company has an online store, but that was not the case when Amazon was selling books online that you usually had to go to a store for.

Re:Memory Leaks Detection Paper Co-Authored by Netflix CEO R... by chx on Sunday December 04, 2022 @10:14PM (#33861026)
> It was an online website right around the dot com bubble.

Much sooner than that.

Amazon started in 1995. Not a lot of ecommerce websites existed then. One the earlier ones is Powell's Books which started selling in 1993 via telnet, in 1994 via web.

Re:Memory Leaks Detection Paper Co-Authored by Netflix CEO R... by jm20 on Sunday December 04, 2022 @10:20PM (#33861050)
Amazon made web-based book selling mainstream. Emphasis on web. Of course it was a tech company.
Re:Memory Leaks Detection Paper Co-Authored by Netflix CEO R... by xwolfi on Sunday December 04, 2022 @11:15PM (#33861384)
And the web based dvd rental then ? I mean, they were doing exactly the same as Amazon, why distinguish?
Re:Memory Leaks Detection Paper Co-Authored by Netflix CEO R... by gardenhedge on Monday December 05, 2022 @04:52AM (#33863495)
Banks have online customer sites. Are they tech companies?
Re:Memory Leaks Detection Paper Co-Authored by Netflix CEO R... by WastingMyTime89 on Monday December 05, 2022 @05:57AM (#33863960)
If they did it when Amazon started their web store they would be.

How do you think Amazon infra gave birth to AWS? Does that sound to you like something a retail company would do?

Re:Memory Leaks Detection Paper Co-Authored by Netflix CEO R... by Throw10987 on Monday December 05, 2022 @06:19AM (#33864114)
Banks are tech companies, the business leadership just don't know it.
Re:Memory Leaks Detection Paper Co-Authored by Netflix CEO R... by gpderetta on Monday December 05, 2022 @06:56AM (#33864398)
The business leadership of some banks do in fact know it.
Re:Memory Leaks Detection Paper Co-Authored by Netflix CEO R... by version_five on Sunday December 04, 2022 @08:49PM (#33860393)
Tech company did and still does to an extent refer to "online" first, vs brick and mortar. In the context of the dot com boom, they were definitely tech
Re:Memory Leaks Detection Paper Co-Authored by Netflix CEO R... by jandrewrogers on Sunday December 04, 2022 @09:00PM (#33860486)
Netflix was originally intended as a streaming company. The DVD rentals were a strategy to solve some non-technical problems with the business while the infrastructure for streaming caught up.
Re:Memory Leaks Detection Paper Co-Authored by Netflix CEO R... by gabcoh on Sunday December 04, 2022 @09:03PM (#33860511)
That's fascinating and an incredible example of long term planning. Do you have a source for this?

edit: A very cursory check of the Wikipedia page and https://www.vox.com/2017/9/13/16288364/streampunks-book-exce... suggest that it probably isn't true that Netflix was "originally intended as a streaming company" considering at it's founding online streaming was still far from feasible, but I'm open to evidence to the contrary.

Re:Memory Leaks Detection Paper Co-Authored by Netflix CEO R... by jandrewrogers on Sunday December 04, 2022 @10:40PM (#33861178)
My source is that I worked at Netflix in the early days, it was always part of the strategy. We were discussing streaming internally almost a decade before they actually delivered it.

While streaming technology was early and teetering on the edge of viability, the real challenge was maneuvering the studios to license content that they didn't want to license because they wanted to retain absolute control. They were very averse to streaming for multiple reasons. The gambit of using DVDs in a series of Hobson's choices for the studios almost worked but ultimately failed at the late stages for an important reason that was difficult to bridge.

Re:Memory Leaks Detection Paper Co-Authored by Netflix CEO R... by wahern on Monday December 05, 2022 @12:21AM (#33861789)
From Netflix's IPO prospectus, dated May 22, 2002:

> We currently provide titles to our subscribers on DVD only. However, we continue to monitor additional delivery technologies and, when appropriate, believe that we are well-positioned to offer digital distribution and additional delivery options to our subscribers.

And further down, a bullet point in their growth strategy section:

> Implementing Digital Delivery. We continuously monitor the development of additional digital distribution technologies. Historically, new technologies, including the VCR and more recently the DVD player, have led to the creation of additional distribution channels for filmed entertainment. We intend to utilize our strong relationships with the studios to obtain rights to acquire and deliver filmed entertainment through emerging digital distribution platforms as they become economically, commercially and technologically viable for those subscribers who prefer digital distribution.

And later, regarding competition:

> We believe that our strategy of developing a large and growing subscriber base and our ability to personalize our library to each subscriber by leveraging our extensive database of user preferences positions us favorably to provide digital distribution of filmed entertainment as that market develops.

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1065280/000101287002...

Streaming on the internet was already exploding by 1997; relatively speaking, of course. I distinctly remember first watching South Park, which debuted in 1997--myself and several other students, working in the computer lab technical assistance office for work-study, huddled around a Mac. This would have been circa 1998-1999, if not 1997. (In fact, I don't think I ever watched South Park on cable television until many years later, staying at hotels.) Around that time I also remember a major, well-funded streaming website that was supposed to revolutionize Indie film distribution. Anybody working in computing or the film industry knew where distribution was heading--the only question was when all the pieces would come together to make it viable. There were many ventures which dove in too early.

Re:Memory Leaks Detection Paper Co-Authored by Netflix CEO R... by gardenhedge on Monday December 05, 2022 @05:51AM (#33863919)
Netflix was founded in 1997. You're talking about 2002.
Re:Memory Leaks Detection Paper Co-Authored by Netflix CEO R... by fud101 on Monday December 05, 2022 @08:47AM (#33865553)
are you a young un? dont you guys remember real audio? i remember streaming the NBA playoffs over dialup all the way in Australia. Video streaming was already a thing, it just didn't have a killer library.
Re:Memory Leaks Detection Paper Co-Authored by Netflix CEO R... by gumby on Monday December 05, 2022 @12:24AM (#33861803)
They were a tech company of their time: they had an excellent web site, search (and recommendation IIRC) etc, especially compared to most of their contemporaries.

Nowadays I wouldn't consider anyone in the DVD-renting business to be a tech company. I would still consider Netflix a tech business under their current business model.

Note that Netflix is relatively small and not really in control of their fate; they were presumably included in the "FAANG" acronym to make it fun. Now that two of those companies have changed their name it doesn't even fit (A, A, A, M and...N? Not the other M?)

Re:Memory Leaks Detection Paper Co-Authored by Netflix CEO R... by jedberg on Monday December 05, 2022 @01:38AM (#33862270)
Netflix was included in FAANG because it was a high growth tech stock, growing faster than all the others when it was included. It was the fastest growing stock on the market multiple times in the 2010s and was the fastest growing stock for the entire decade.
Re:Memory Leaks Detection Paper Co-Authored by Netflix CEO R... by adql on Monday December 05, 2022 @07:45AM (#33864883)
> (A, A, A, M and...N? Not the other M?)

Well now we can say "MAAAAN it went downhill"

Re:Memory Leaks Detection Paper Co-Authored by Netflix CEO R... by pmoriarty on Monday December 05, 2022 @08:43AM (#33865493)
"Nowadays I wouldn't consider anyone in the DVD-renting business to be a tech company."

Netflix still rents DVDs.[1]

I actually much prefer their DVD service, because their selection of movies on DVD is infinitely superior to their streaming service, whose selection is absolutely atrocious.

Netflix's streaming service might have world-class delivery, but what they deliver is crap.

[1] - https://dvd.netflix.com/

Re:Memory Leaks Detection Paper Co-Authored by Netflix CEO R... by Mistletoe on Monday December 05, 2022 @12:53AM (#33861967)
Sending dvds all over the USA with such quick turnaround was more impressive to me than streaming video.
Re:Memory Leaks Detection Paper Co-Authored by Netflix CEO R... by myhf on Monday December 05, 2022 @02:33AM (#33862626)
Recommendation accuracy was much more important for DVD rental, because of the wider selection of content and the slower feedback loop. So a good recommendation algorithm was a core competency for the business.
Re:Memory Leaks Detection Paper Co-Authored by Netflix CEO R... by lr1970 on Monday December 05, 2022 @06:01AM (#33863992)
And when seeing his internal recommendation algorithm team hitting the wall in recommendation accuracy, Hastings boldly created a 1M$ "Netflix Prize" competition to create a better recommendation algorithm [0]. This boosted research efforts in the field and earned him and Netflix respect in ML academic circles.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netflix_Prize

Re:Memory Leaks Detection Paper Co-Authored by Netflix CEO R... by noboostforyou on Monday December 05, 2022 @12:30PM (#33868689)
> At that time it wasn't a tech company was it?

At that time you would have to physically shop at Blockbuster to pick out a movie to watch.

With Netflix you picked what you wanted to watch online, maintained a queue and they would automatically send you DVDs through the mail.

It was absolutely a tech company since its inception.