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Re:The Twitter Files by jmyeet on Friday December 02, 2022 @09:41PM (#33839928)
> I'm a moderate

The Overton window in the US stems from center-right (Democrats) to extreme-right (Republicans) so if you're in the middle of that you're firmly a conservative.

Don't believe me? Example: we've got the ongoing threat of a strike tby rail workers who want paid sick leave. They currently have no paid sick leave. Calling in sick will come off their vacation days. It may even get them disciplined and fired. They asked for 15 paid sick days. Some in Congress wanted to compromise and give them 7 days.

Over the last few years the rail companies have furloughed ~30% of their staff to the point where covering sick staff is a real problem. They've so far made $20 billion on profits this year. The excess profits have routinely been used in share buybacks and dividends.

Biden, who claims to be pro-labor, has sided with the rail companies in directing Congress to use an old law to rob these workers of their right to industrial action and mandate a contract. With no paid sick leave.

How can anyone with a straight face in good faith argue there is any leftist power in politics when Democrats side with capital and routinely go out of their way to eviscerate labor and the progressive elements of their party?

> I think people on the left have a blind spot here

So you've made two false premises here:

1. There are peeople on the left in politics. As I noted above, this is a falsehood; and

2. The "left" is a monolith and wanted to suppress the Hunter Biden story. This is right-wing propaganda because conservatives treat Trump like a cult leader who is above the law.

Speaking as a leftist (FWIW), I don't care about Hunter Biden. Throw in jail. Hilary too. I don't think Twitter should've blocked the NY Post story but ultimately it's a nothing burger because there's nothing of substance on this laptop. If there was it would've been passed on to law enforcement instead of being passed raround right-wing operatives (to the point of destroying any chain of custody) in an effort to smear the administration and nothing came of it, which is why they just fell back to the old playbook of pedo allegations.

> ... people on the right grow to resent them

People on the right already call people on the left groomers, pedos and criminals.

> ... this authoritarian suppression of speech

What suppression? Everyone knows about this story. The only "suppression" (which, again, I personally disagree with) is you couldn't share a link to one post on one site (Twitter). to believe this is "authoritarian suppression" belies successful right-wing propaganda.

> ... both sides ...

Bothsidesing American politics does nothing more than show how normalized right-wing ideas have become (and how far right the Overton window has swung). You have the former president espousing QAnon conspiracies, election denialism at every level of government and white supremacy (which is a core tenet of the Republican Party and America's founding and history) spilling over to where the likes of Kanye are saying the quiet part out loud, Elon Musk tweeted (then retracted) a conspiracy about Paul Pelosi and his attacker and the #1 "news" program in US openly pushing Nazi propaganda (ie Tucker Carlson and the Great Replacement Theory).

Bothsidesing this doesn't make one enlightened or "above the fray".

Re:The Twitter Files by 1270018080 on Friday December 02, 2022 @10:34PM (#33840286)
You're comment is a little greyed out which means people are downvoting it. The core aspect being that democrats are center right and republicans are extreme right. The both-sides enlightened centrists can't accept this. The do-nothingness tenant of being in the middle regardless of ideology simply shatters.
Re:The Twitter Files by iinnPP on Saturday December 03, 2022 @07:42AM (#33843052)
Doing nothing is doing something.

You don't have to agree with it.

Re:The Twitter Files by cryptonector on Saturday December 03, 2022 @02:47AM (#33841596)
> Don't believe me? Example: we've got the ongoing threat of a strike tby rail workers who want paid sick leave. They currently have no paid sick leave. Calling in sick will come off their vacation days. It may even get them disciplined and fired. They asked for 15 paid sick days. Some in Congress wanted to compromise and give them 7 days.

The current Administration is the one forcing rail workers to accept a deal that doesn't give them what they want and forces them not to strike.

Re:The Twitter Files by laputan_machine on Saturday December 03, 2022 @03:21AM (#33841753)
> The Overton window in the US stems from center-right (Democrats) to extreme-right (Republicans) so if you're in the middle of that you're firmly a conservative.

This is something Europeans have been saying online since at least the early 00s. It might be worth splitting it up into "social" policies and "economic" policies.

Democrats are a socially very left (dissenting views are not allowed), economically right party. republicans are a socially right, economically very right (taxation is theft) party.

Re:The Twitter Files by jmyeet on Saturday December 03, 2022 @07:35AM (#33843011)
> it up into "social" policies and "economic" policies.

I understand that inclination but you cannot separate economic and social policy.

Example: consider post-WWII development in the US. The GI Bill gave cheap loans and college education to returning servicement but not if you're black. The rise of the automobile lead to the explosion in suburbs, which became completely car-dependent. These suburbs and the required infrastructure (eg roads) were government subsidized. This allowed some to build up generational wealth.

In building those roads (and the Interstate system) these tended to divide communities along racial lines and in many cases wiped out minority communities.

Further you had redlining.

Once segregation was officially outlawed you had a bunch of communities that became effectively segregated because black people couldn not afford to live there (because restrictive zoning drove up prices) but black people had been denied the ability to build up wealth.

That's an example of what people mean by systemic racism.

Likewise, economic policy creates over-policing and mass incarceration that predominantly affects the poor and economic policy has made sure that black people are disproportionately affected.

> Democrats are a socially very left

I disagree. Biden was the architect of Bill Clinton's 1994 crime bill that ushered in mass incarceration and over-policing shows where Democrats stand: in the same place Republicans are, which is protecting capital and capital owners.

Literally the only reason people accuse Democrats of being very far left is the support of trans people. I would urge people to really examine their feelings here and really ask themselves why they think not being transphobic is an extreme position.

Re:The Twitter Files by banannaise on Monday December 05, 2022 @10:19AM (#33866708)
I think something a lot of people miss is the difference between Democratic voters and Democratic politicians.

Democratic politicians generally lean substantially farther right than their voters.

"Centrists" typically take the position that Democratic politicians are too left-leaning. This puts them very far to the right of the Democratic voter. It puts them much closer to... Republicans.