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Re:Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conve... by kilroy123 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @02:27PM (#33806209)
Let's be honest – Musk doesn't know what the hell he is doing here.
Re:Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conve... by lijogdfljk on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @02:48PM (#33806558)
I'm starting to question how much he has ever. Has something changed with him? Or has he always been like this? If it's always been this rash, hasty and questionable then i can only imagine the real heroes are the people around him who managed to refine what he says and wants into tangible, achievable and coherent goals.

Regardless of whether or not you agree with his actions these days, it does at least seem a significant departure from how the public perceived his actions in the past. Over the past few years his actions have steadily grown more.. loud, at the very least.

.. It's.. interesting.

Re:Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conve... by aorloff on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @03:07PM (#33806872)
He completely underestimated the difference between a corporate takeover of an established company and growing a startup. In addition, he appears to be getting terrible advice, which is not uncommon for powerful people who attract sycophants.
Re:Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conve... by danans on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @03:07PM (#33806884)
> I'm starting to question how much he has ever. Has something changed with him? Or has he always been like this?

His growing group of admirers started treating his like a messiah, and he fully embraced that role, along with the behaviors that it engenders upon someone. He's not special in that way. It's a position a lot of ambitious people would like to be in.

Re:Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conve... by querulous on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @03:13PM (#33806970)
he had very capable partners/lieutenants at spacex and tesla (shotwell and straubel, respectively). elon's undeniably great at cheerleading and fundraising but it's unclear how much credit he deserves for the technical accomplishments of spacex and tesla. at paypal he was run out almost immediately upon becoming ceo and at twitter he's surrounded himself with non entities like jason calcanis and alex spiro
Re:Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conve... by dragonwriter on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @03:40PM (#33807325)
> at paypal he was run out almost immediately upon becoming ceo

Technically, he was never CEO “at Paypal”. He was forced out as CEO of X.com the second time just before it took the name of the main product (which it had acquired with the company that developed it, with Elon returning as CEO with the acquisition) and became PayPal.

Re:Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conve... by martythemaniak on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @03:00PM (#33806749)
I think what's changed is that Twitter is 1) an established thing, rather than something Musk built up and 2) not really tech.

Tesla, SpaceX, Boring Co have ambitious objectives with clear right/wrong answers. You put something in orbit or don't. Your car goes 500km with 70kWh of energy or it doesn't etc. You can inspire smart engineers to work hard to meet ambitious goals that require creative thinking.

Twitter has none of that, it is more like a club. Having the loudest speakers or brightest lights isn't going to make your club the best club. There is a certain baseline of technical competence required, yes, but mostly its about attracting the right crowd (being extra nice to some people, kicking others out) and making sure everybody has a good time. Musk might have actually succeeded with this using his previous person, but his new culture warrior schtick isn't gonna work.

Re:Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conve... by prawn on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @06:42PM (#33809726)
Not sure if this will be shareable/readable, but I thought this piece was interesting: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/elon-musk-and-the-narci...
Re:Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conve... by memish on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @03:02PM (#33806781)
Just because you don't know what he's doing doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's doing. That's a common error in logic.

You'll also have to ignore that he's built companies that land rockets back on Earth and produce millions of EVs. He's objectively demonstrated ability.

Re:Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conve... by pschuegr on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @03:27PM (#33807158)
Another common error in logic is assuming that building rockets and building communities require the same kinds of skills.
Re:Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conve... by namkt on Thursday December 01, 2022 @09:47AM (#33816895)
He also built the company, not the rockets. In a different thread here on HN, some of the SpaceX guys were commenting how he actually had very little understanding of rockets, understandably. But the credit goes to him regardless.
Re:Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conve... by qwertox on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @03:11PM (#33806940)
The worst thing is that he's getting angry over it and walking into the open arms of the Republicans instead of staying neutral.
Re:Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conve... by imperialdrive on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @02:53PM (#33806649)
Honest question - Maybe he will very quickly? I have no skin in the game, but the occasional Twitter links sent my way in group chats still load just fine, pretty fast actually, and the related page content appears to be less 'spammy'. Seems like a little progress if anything.
Re:Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conve... by mikeyouse on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @03:00PM (#33806750)
There have never been more spam bots in the replies and the site and apps are getting stuck in weird cache loops for the first time that I can remember. It's obviously a very robustly built platform but to me, it seems like it's coasting and hoping that nothing too big breaks.
Re:Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conve... by runevault on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @04:41PM (#33808175)
I can say that, at least for me, the timeline and lists load far slower than they used to, to the point I see spinners for each individual item in the trending topics list for a second or more before they finally load in. I don't remember the last time that happened to me pre-buyout.
Re:Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conve... by crftr on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @03:21PM (#33807065)
It's a reminder that even some of our brightest minds are susceptible to the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

It continues to look as if Musk believes a Twitter turn-around is largely a technical project--rather than tending to a community of users.

Re:Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conve... by NaturalPhallacy on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @05:35PM (#33808924)
Let's be honest - baseless speculation because HN clearly shares all the same biases of the rest of big tech: https://i.imgur.com/Si183zE.jpg
Re:Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conve... by p0pcult on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:06PM (#33810057)
A bias towards the party that isn't actively trying to dismantle Amercian democracy? Ooh, scary.
Re:Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conve... by NaturalPhallacy on Thursday December 01, 2022 @07:26PM (#33825129)
The party that says you're "dismantling American democracy" if you don't vote the way they want you to is the ridiculous one, in my opinion. Especially ironic, given their name + authoritarian attitude.