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Re:The Positive Effect of Walking on Creative Thinking [pdf] by kashyapc on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @05:03AM (#33607283)
I don't know about creative thinking ... but consistent walking sure as hell helped jump-start my running life. Here's my little story. I'm 37 and was never a runner, but last October a friend dragged me out for a run. We ran a 5K straight-up (at ~6m:30s/KM). It's not a "couch to 5K", as I'm lean and bicycle a lot ("zone 2" cardio) part of my daily life, eat healthy, and put in many walks and some hikes over the past 3 years. So the "infrastructure" is in place.

This year I ran two half-marathons (one in Bruges last month), and went for another "half-marathon forest hike" last weekend.

I had no idea I could run these longer distances, and was not even planning to run. I activated this "latent" potential by a happy accident. Earlier this February, when talking about running with a friend of a friend, she casually said "why don't you register for the half-marathon at this gorgeous nature trail[1]?" I said, "hmm, I never ran more than 7K, and the half-marathon is only 50 days away." "Just register, you'll do fine!", she said. I did register, and diligently trained for exactly about 45 days.

Lo and behold! I completed the first marathon in April in 2h:12m; and the second one last month in 2h:9m. Both of them without stopping. I'm still surprised by myself; if that acquaintance hadn't pushed me a little bit, I wouldn't have bothered with half-marathons. Now I'm hooked. I'm calling my next half-marathon as "cracking 2" (running it under 2 hours). Some runners here might recognize the term "breaking 2" ;-)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonian_Forest

Re:The Positive Effect of Walking on Creative Thinking [pdf] by sedeki on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @05:16AM (#33607379)
Inspiring! I am on a similar journey as well.

I haven't heard the term "zone 2" cardio -- can you expand on that?

Re:The Positive Effect of Walking on Creative Thinking [pdf] by tavorep on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @06:00AM (#33607722)
Zones refer to heart rate zones. You run at different intensities (in different zones) to achieve different things.

Zone 2 is your easy pace. The pace you do most of your running at. It's not so fast where you need much of recovery but it's fast enough to achieve the adaptations you need.

Here's part of a talk by famed running coach Jack Daniels on the benefits of easy running: https://youtu.be/veAQ73OJdwY

Re:The Positive Effect of Walking on Creative Thinking [pdf] by deepGem on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @06:03AM (#33607742)
Subtract your age from 180. Run at that heart rate. Another formula 0.7*(HR max — HR at rest) + HR at rest

If you don't believe in formulas, run at a pace in which you can hold a conversation or speak a few sentences without losing your breath.

Re:The Positive Effect of Walking on Creative Thinking [pdf] by kashyapc on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @06:14AM (#33607810)
Read up on heart-rate zones; this is a decent post[1]. Basically, you should be able to comfortably hold a conversation throughout the run. I learnt that many serious athletes train a lot for it. Improving zone-2 fitness apparently contributes in a non-trivial way to zone 3-5 fitness! But don't get too hung up on these stats (I didn't bother at all for the first 5 months of running), but follow that golden rule of "listen to your body" to differentiate "good pain" vs. bad pain.

[1] https://www.polar.com/blog/running-heart-rate-zones-basics/

Re:The Positive Effect of Walking on Creative Thinking [pdf] by scotty79 on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @05:49AM (#33607642)
> I had no idea I could run these longer distances, and was not even planning to run.

I know I can't run. Never could. My lungs just close up after even a short run and the rest of my body promptly follows.

I could walk though but despite walking few kilometers each day this summer best I could do was squeeze a minute or two of running into my walking.

And even walking ended when my feet arches began to hurt from overuse. Since then I stopped walking regularly and switched to 'barefoot' shoes and my left foot pretty much healed but the overuse injury in the right one pops back up when I walk for about an hour. I am not overweight and have high feet arches.

Re:The Positive Effect of Walking on Creative Thinking [pdf] by kashyapc on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @06:34AM (#33607926)
I hear you. The first rule is: "don't injure yourself". On feet: try out "Superfeet" insoles (not affiliated). I recently learnt about 'em and been trying for a month; they're working well for me. I have a flat left-foot, and it starts paining after 18K. And I limp a little bit for a day with pain, and it goes away. I hate this, and have lived with it for too long. Finally, I began with a specialist (podiatrist) to see if I can find a long-term fix.
Re:The Positive Effect of Walking on Creative Thinking [pdf] by winReInstall on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @08:18AM (#33608760)
Be aware of the dangers that cortison can do to your bones though. Defeat asthma today, wrestle with a half disolved spine tomorrow..
Re:The Positive Effect of Walking on Creative Thinking [pdf] by robbiep on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @05:51AM (#33607654)
Jesus. I thought breaking 3 was crushing it for amateurs. Congrats. What sort of training do you do to progress? I’m relatively fit (swim/ride/squash) but haven’t run much for a long time. Now doing 1-2 10ks a week but no idea how to move further
Re:The Positive Effect of Walking on Creative Thinking [pdf] by kashyapc on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @06:25AM (#33607869)
Firstly, sorry for the bad thinko at a crucial occurrence in my first comment; I was talking about half marathons all along. I'm still a novice runner; only one year in. :-). For both the half marathons, I implemented the below bog-standard rough plan (no fancy high-interval training or anything like that—it helps, though!):

- "Rest" on Mondays - walk 6K or bike 10K

- 7K run on Tuesdays

- "Rest" on Wednesdays - 10K biking

- 7K run on Thursdays

- Rest on Friday; just daily life walking/bicycling

- 5K run on Saturdays

- 10K run on Sundays[1]

Most importantly, pay attention to diet (a whole another beast). As the saying goes, "you can't out-run a bad diet!"

And here's[2] my silly 'retro' of my most recent half marathon.

[1] When training for a race, I gradually increase the Sunday distance to 13K, 15K, and 18K; reserve the best for the race day. "Taper off" the intensity of running in the last week before the race. (Specific to my situation, in retrospect, all the city bicycling I was doing as part of daily life here must've contributed to my running too. So take that "hidden training" into account too.)

[2] https://kashyapc.fedorapeople.org/half-m-Bruges-retro.html

Re:The Positive Effect of Walking on Creative Thinking [pdf] by robbiep on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @02:38AM (#33620095)
Thanks so much for your plan! Much appreciated! I'll give it a bit of a whirl!
Re:The Positive Effect of Walking on Creative Thinking [pdf] by kashyapc on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @04:34AM (#33620720)
Glad to be useful. If you're putting in 1-2 10Ks/week, you can absolutely train for a half marathon—assuming no existing serious injuries. Also try coming up with your own bespoke plan (including experimenting with diet - keep an informal log) that's based on your unique needs and situation; it can be empowering.
Re:The Positive Effect of Walking on Creative Thinking [pdf] by tavorep on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @06:02AM (#33607735)
Breaking 3 hours is crushing it for a full marathon. The post you're replying to is talking about a half-marathon.
Re:The Positive Effect of Walking on Creative Thinking [pdf] by kashyapc on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @06:09AM (#33607783)
Yes, indeed. At a crucial place I missed the word "half"; corrected it. Sorry for the sloppiness, once again.
Re:The Positive Effect of Walking on Creative Thinking [pdf] by vanilla_nut on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @06:03AM (#33607743)
> I completed the first marathon in April in 2h:12m; and the second one last month in 2h:9m.

Fyi: you might want to add the "half" word from earlier in your post into this sentence as well. 2 hours is a very respectable half marathon pace. For a full marathon, it's Olympian!

Glad to hear you're enjoying running. I also transitioned from "long walks almost every day" to "wow i can actually run pretty well" and I have just one piece of advice...

Don't get too into the stats. It's much more fun if you don't agonize over the optimizations, IMO.

Oh, and if you normally trail run with headphones and listen to music or podcasts, every once in a while try going without the headphones. I find I have my best ideas on runs where all I can hear is nature.

Re:The Positive Effect of Walking on Creative Thinking [pdf] by kashyapc on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @06:09AM (#33607778)
(Oops! Added the crucial missing word, "half". I thought I checked carefully, bad me. Sorry for the sloppiness; fixed. Yes, full marathon is something else! )

Nice work yourself on your transition, go you! :-)

Two hours for a full marathon was the "Breaking 2" project[1] that Eliud Kipchoge finally achieved. It's inhumanly lung-busting. I wouldn't get there in a million lifetimes!

On stats: totally! I'm not at all obsessing over it; just using high-level stats as a moderate motivation. I also don't look at my watch (only use it for running) at every lap or anything like that.

Headphones: I have a rule of "no music at all" for running. It's my way to tame the inner dragons! (For walks, I do use the headphones, though. And you're totally right on mixing it up; neuroscience backs up your suggestion too.)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking2

Re:The Positive Effect of Walking on Creative Thinking [pdf] by mpreda on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @08:06AM (#33608674)
You mean, you ran HALF-marathons in 2:12, 2:09, right? (a big difference there)
Re:The Positive Effect of Walking on Creative Thinking [pdf] by kashyapc on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @08:11AM (#33608706)
Yes, I mentioned the words "half-marathon" and "half marathon" combined seven times in my original post. :-) (Only the first occurrence in the last para had an unfortunate thinko, I acknowledged it and fixed it immediately.)

FWIW, I shared the story because going from "no runner" a year ago to "finishes half marathons without stopping" with a modest pace might still be interesting (sorry for bragging :-)).

Re:The Positive Effect of Walking on Creative Thinking [pdf] by gizajob on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @09:22AM (#33609468)
Well done