Re:FTX Implodes, and a Top VC Backer Falls on Its Face
by fasthands9 on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @01:02AM
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Presumably Sequoia wouldn't have done it if they weren't getting anything out of it. Is it too crazy to assume that they agreed to invest ~200M, in return for ~200M back and a percent of some token or stream? Both they and SBF would know a 200M investment would attract serious attention and retail buyers but both would need the other to make the headline.
I don't want to sound too conspiratorial but seems odd they would bother to do a transaction for this while lending their name unless they were getting something back.
Re:FTX Implodes, and a Top VC Backer Falls on Its Face
by RockyMcNuts on Monday November 14, 2022 @11:39PM
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when Elon Musk talks about 'citizen journalism' disrupting the media, that post is what he means ... 'private historians' and puffers employed by VCs and oligarchs controlling the narrative.
Re:FTX Implodes, and a Top VC Backer Falls on Its Face
by RockyMcNuts on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @09:40AM
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my personal view is, it does matter.
the biggest problem with NYT is they bend over backwards to appear neutral and give all sides the benefit of the doubt. it becomes doublespeak and provides cover for bad faith. for instance today's article on SBF - https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/14/technology/ftx-sam-bankma... . it's an embarrassment to let him call looting client funds 'a margin position' without hard pushback.
but in the NYT they distinguish fact from opinion, and take reasonable steps to verify the stuff they print as fact. so even if they don't discount what SBF says as they should and draw the appropriate conclusions, a critical reader can. (even if it's while they are yelling at the screen)
so they are not going to print something like the Sequoia garbage that is completely one-sided, with technical absurdities and factual inaccuracies (and they will edit and copy-edit properly).
people say the NYT is 'biased' but I think that accusation is misguided. Of course they have a point of view (like, democracy and government are usually good good). the word 'bias' presumes the existence of some unbiased reference frame like 19th century ether theory. many people who call things 'biased' are just announcing, my own point of view is the one that must be privileged.
the question is not, do they have a point of view, but what is the point of view, is it transparent, do they check facts and distinguish between fact and opinion and dig regardless of who benefits.
the crap media is this stuff that prints bogus facts, is one-sided and self-serving, doesn't distinguish between fact and opinion.
and yes, it's important to note that Musk and other people want to control the narrative with their own crap media like this, and a Twitter zone flooded with BS.
Re:FTX Implodes, and a Top VC Backer Falls on Its Face
by ChaitanyaSai on Monday November 14, 2022 @11:34PM
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As ridiculous as that article was, the deletion is worse. Decentralized write-only communication that "cannot" be deleted is foundational to establishing trust in the crypto space (at least as it was originally envisoned). How does one claim to empower change for the good by backing projects in this space, and yet try and make something vanish if it shows them in a bad light? If anything, this should go right at the top of an anti-portfolio as a counter-balance when business cycles are inevitably looping back into insanity territory.
Re:FTX Implodes, and a Top VC Backer Falls on Its Face
by notatoad on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @12:21AM
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We don’t need decentralized write-only communication. People have memories and reputation have power, and technical solutions aren’t going to change that.
What the crypto folks need to do to gain trust is stop behaving as though a lack of decentralized write-only communication means they can say whatever they want and nobody will remember the times they were wildly wrong.
Re:FTX Implodes, and a Top VC Backer Falls on Its Face
by ChaitanyaSai on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @12:52AM
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Even if entirely objective in the presentation of "just the facts", merely through the act of curation (what is noteworthy enough to appear in the paper), we make memory selective, and therefore biased. Interesting that real newspapers did serve as "proof of date" until very recently but generative AI might puncture that.
Re:FTX Implodes, and a Top VC Backer Falls on Its Face
by pdntspa on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @01:04AM
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But Sequoia Capital isn't a newspaper. They are not under any obligation to retain puff pieces on their investments. Arguing that there should be a "write-only" register (aka blockchain) is arguing that anything written in the space, ever, should be immortalized on it. Which doesn't seem like a great idea to me.
As other comments point out, the Print Screen key, "Save to PDF", and archive.org are all you really need.
Re:FTX Implodes, and a Top VC Backer Falls on Its Face
by ChaitanyaSai on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @01:19AM
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They have every right to delete the puff piece. Saying that the deletion punctures their credibility and posturing significantly more than the article itself. Things will go south in some high-risk venture investments. Owning up to the mistakes at least messages that there is learning. Would be interesting to see other VCs take on this.
Re:FTX Implodes, and a Top VC Backer Falls on Its Face
by scott_w on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @01:26AM
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I don’t think the parent is arguing for a blockchain one journalism, just that outlets claiming to be “news” should own their mistakes if they want to retain credibility.
Re:FTX Implodes, and a Top VC Backer Falls on Its Face
by pdntspa on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @01:40AM
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I think GGP is conflating "we commissioned an article from an established journalist" with the article being "news". Adtorials, or whatever they're called, have been quite the thing lately and I don't see how this is any different, except inverted.
Re:FTX Implodes, and a Top VC Backer Falls on Its Face
by scott_w on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @04:34PM
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You’re right, it’s not a news agency, however it is masquerading as one to try and increase their legitimacy. It’s reasonable to criticise their behaviour.
Re:FTX Implodes, and a Top VC Backer Falls on Its Face
by ilrwbwrkhv on Monday November 14, 2022 @11:52PM
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While bad press and shaming them is ok, what should really happen is Sequoia should be investigated closely and punished if found guilty. The money trail needs to be investigated for bribery, side deals, hiding of information from the public, lack of due diligence etc. In a terrorist attack the money trail is investigated. Same applies here.
Re:FTX Implodes, and a Top VC Backer Falls on Its Face
by spaceman_2020 on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @01:18AM
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At some level, these big name funds also deserve some portion of the blame. A lot of people implicitly trusted FTX because of its backers. Even when the first signs of FTX imploding emerged, some people chose to stick with it because “Blackrock, Softbank and Sequoia can’t be that wrong”.
Little did they know that the due diligence process for Sequoia wasn’t any better than any random no-name fund.
Re:FTX Implodes, and a Top VC Backer Falls on Its Face
by andirk on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @01:22AM
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An investment firm writes a puff piece about one of their investments, investment tanks, they delete the puff piece. Yeah they have no integrity when it comes to their image. Not sure who is shocked by that.
Re:FTX Implodes, and a Top VC Backer Falls on Its Face
by rich_sasha on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @02:33AM
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Everyone is now saying "wow that article was tone-deaf before, now it is ridiculous".
But where are all the criticisms from before? While FTX was a multi-billion business, seemingly everyone kept quiet. Only when they went tits up suddenly everyone remembered how it was always a bad article.
It was a massive 90 minute listen. Even if he wasn’t a scam artist this would still be too long of a profile.
I don't want to sound too conspiratorial but seems odd they would bother to do a transaction for this while lending their name unless they were getting something back.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1591121142961799168
the biggest problem with NYT is they bend over backwards to appear neutral and give all sides the benefit of the doubt. it becomes doublespeak and provides cover for bad faith. for instance today's article on SBF - https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/14/technology/ftx-sam-bankma... . it's an embarrassment to let him call looting client funds 'a margin position' without hard pushback.
but in the NYT they distinguish fact from opinion, and take reasonable steps to verify the stuff they print as fact. so even if they don't discount what SBF says as they should and draw the appropriate conclusions, a critical reader can. (even if it's while they are yelling at the screen)
so they are not going to print something like the Sequoia garbage that is completely one-sided, with technical absurdities and factual inaccuracies (and they will edit and copy-edit properly).
people say the NYT is 'biased' but I think that accusation is misguided. Of course they have a point of view (like, democracy and government are usually good good). the word 'bias' presumes the existence of some unbiased reference frame like 19th century ether theory. many people who call things 'biased' are just announcing, my own point of view is the one that must be privileged.
the question is not, do they have a point of view, but what is the point of view, is it transparent, do they check facts and distinguish between fact and opinion and dig regardless of who benefits.
the crap media is this stuff that prints bogus facts, is one-sided and self-serving, doesn't distinguish between fact and opinion.
and yes, it's important to note that Musk and other people want to control the narrative with their own crap media like this, and a Twitter zone flooded with BS.
Is this the new Trump Derangement Syndrome?
https://web.archive.org/web/20221027181005/https://www.sequo... (linking it here because this deserves to be preserved as a cautionary tale in our collective memory)
What the crypto folks need to do to gain trust is stop behaving as though a lack of decentralized write-only communication means they can say whatever they want and nobody will remember the times they were wildly wrong.
As other comments point out, the Print Screen key, "Save to PDF", and archive.org are all you really need.
From everything we're learning, the writing was on the wall from day 1; these people were just enchanted by it.
Little did they know that the due diligence process for Sequoia wasn’t any better than any random no-name fund.
But where are all the criticisms from before? While FTX was a multi-billion business, seemingly everyone kept quiet. Only when they went tits up suddenly everyone remembered how it was always a bad article.