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Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by lapcat on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @09:26AM (#33532023)
Taking responsibility would mean resigning as CEO, for example. Or altering the voting situation where he has absolute power, can't be voted out by the board of directors, and thus has no accountability for his actions and mistakes.

But just saying that you're taking responsibility is not actually taking responsibility. It's empty words.

Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by Enginerrrd on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @09:40AM (#33532220)
I don't agree with that take at all. No leader would be able to learn from mistakes or grow if they had to metaphorically commit Seppuku every time they made a mistake by resigning or abdicating their authority.

Taking responsibility would mean owning the situation as being caused by you, and critically evaluating your actions to see if there were different paths you could have taken given the same information, or if there was other information that you should have added to your decision-making.

There are some mistakes so grave and unjustifiable that resignation would be the appropriate way to take responsibility for them, but I don't think a round of layoffs pending an expected economic downturn after excessive growth qualifies.

Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by lapcat on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @09:50AM (#33532347)
> if they had to metaphorically commit Seppuku every time they made a mistake

This is very far from Zuck's first mistake. In any case, though, I offered an alternative: making himself accountable to the board of directors. He is not accountable. He can't be fired, he can only resign. The fundamental problem is that Zuck gets to define the terms of his own accountability, which is almost an oxymoron.

Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by eru on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @11:04AM (#33533549)
Employees can resign, users and customers can go elsewhere.
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by lapcat on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @11:16AM (#33533749)
How does this relate to the mistake of vastly overhiring?
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by lovich on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @12:11PM (#33534638)
How does it relate to him being accountable? As the user up thread stated he is literally not accountable because he answers to no one
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by lapcat on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @12:23PM (#33534829)
> As the user up thread stated

That was me.

> he is literally not accountable because he answers to no one

Zuck said he wanted to take accountability for overhiring and then having to do layoffs. So the question is, what does the theoretical possibility of employees resigning or users leaving have to do with accountability for overhiring and layoffs?

Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by lovich on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @12:27PM (#33534889)
It has nothing to do with accountability. The reason that everyone has a visceral response to him saying he accountable is because we know it is not true
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by lapcat on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @12:32PM (#33534961)
Sorry, I was confused by your reply. I thought you were arguing with me? Maybe not. But I'm still confused by it.
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by lovich on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @02:27PM (#33536632)
Ah, no. I’m in agreement that he is not being accountable. I am perhaps taking it farther in arguing that he is incapable of being accountable given how meta is structured
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by r00fus on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @01:42PM (#33536009)
And this is one downside to the unitary CEO/COB.

He, like Vladimir Putin, is only accountable to himself.

Ideally, society should not allow this type of business structure if a company is public or a reasonably large size (say 5k employees).

Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by mempko on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @03:48PM (#33537621)
We got rid of kings in politics for a reason. Businesses will eventually learn these lessons, even if it's a hundred years later.
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by lob_it on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @09:43AM (#33532252)
"Where's the vaporware? Under the pickle...." is best portrayed by the younger types.

https://youtu.be/Ug75diEyiA0

You know why the food sucks so bad when you know who they are catering to :p

Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by abeppu on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @03:58PM (#33537726)
> Or altering the voting situation where he has absolute power

Absolutely this. Others in this thread are saying that the fact of having lost a lot of money is enough for him to be "accountable". But IMU the specific arrangement with Meta class B vs class A shares is that the group of other institutional investors lost _more_ but didn't have any ability to influence decisions, replace the CEO, etc. Zuckerberg's large on-paper loss isn't accountability for decisions he made, but is just the risk of being a wealthy person with a lopsided portfolio.

Both because of his role in deciding to hire so much, and because he's dead set on pursuing a metaverse vision which is controversial, I think "accountability" would require him to at least make it possible for other shareholders to vote on proposals on an equal footing.