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Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by paulcole on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @08:22AM (#33531191)
What would him taking responsibility in practice look like to you?
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by micromacrofoot on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @08:42AM (#33531440)
sacrificing some personal wealth for the good of the people that were affected
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by patentatt on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @08:56AM (#33531630)
Yeah, he could easily bankroll a 36 month severance package or something similar. Like "sorry I fucked you right at the onset of a recession, here's a pile of cash to help you weather the storm." That would be actually taking responsibility
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by mbesto on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @09:34AM (#33532144)
He lost $90B. I'm not sympathizing with Zuck, but what you're suggesting literally happened.
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by bombcar on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @10:38AM (#33533105)
But he wasn't punished - people demand blood and blood can only be given non-voluntarily.
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by s1artibartfast on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @10:49AM (#33533303)
He was punished by the market. People want more blood than that and some people will literally never be satisfied
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by davidcbc on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @08:46AM (#33531506)
Facing repercussions on the level of those he's laying off. If he's responsible he should be the first one out the door.
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by Fordec on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @09:24AM (#33531998)
Or rather the person who is responsible should go before those who are not and have been doing their job.

If a middle manager was responsible for a bad decision, their head would be on a spike. But it's the chief executive officer, so he gets a pass, if only because he's in the position of power.

Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by mensetmanusman on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @03:21PM (#33537296)
That’s impossible because he is already profoundly rich. There is no way to simulate the hardship without stealing what is in the bank.
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by davidcbc on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @04:35PM (#33538220)
Now we're talkin'
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by falcolas on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @09:07AM (#33531776)
Taking a salary cut. Loosing unvested options. Fewer grants going forward.

Financial penalties that incentivize him to not fuck up again.

Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by francisofascii on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @09:25AM (#33532003)
To be fair, his net worth fell by $70+ billion. So that sounds like a financial penalty to me.
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by falcolas on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @10:02AM (#33532528)
A reduction in net worth (i.e. stock price dropping) is a pretty terrible penalty, because a) it doesn't actually reflect upon the CEO's successes or failures, and b) because any bump in Meta's stock price will bring that net worth right back. And, usually, doing a mass layoff will do exactly that.

EDIT: Sure enough, Meta's stock is up ~17% since a week ago.

Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by eru on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @11:05AM (#33533572)
> And, usually, doing a mass layoff will do exactly that.

That tells you that companies have far too few mass layoffs.

Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by falcolas on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @11:14AM (#33533703)
Only if your goal is short-term profits, and not long term sustainability.
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by eru on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @08:51PM (#33541116)
Stock prices are the market's estimate of the company's long running prospects.

Management has a fiduciary duty to shareholders. Stock price isn't everything, but it's still prima facie evidence of what shareholders want.

Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by roflyear on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @09:23AM (#33531978)
Homie this isn't a fuck up. It's what shareholders want and it is awful.

These 11k employees are not a threat to facebooks existence. Not even close. If that was the case FB stock would be tanking.

FB is pulling in record profits. They just are getting a little nervous and they are laying people off. It is ridiculous.

Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by falcolas on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @10:03AM (#33532551)
I don't necessarily disagree with you, and we will see FB's stock bumping back up again now that Zuck's make the "hard decision" to lay off employees.
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by roflyear on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @12:45PM (#33535179)
Yeah. Up 7%! when the SPY is down 1%. Wild.
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by disgruntledphd2 on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @01:09PM (#33535570)
To be fair, up till this point, Metas PE ratio was half that of Google.
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by jfdbcv on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @11:11AM (#33533656)
Zuckerberg takes a $1 salary and no equity compensation.
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by falcolas on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @11:44AM (#33534187)
I'm certain there are people smarter than I who could come up with an appropriate penalty. Quite a few on Meta's board, no doubt.

Put him on a PIP with a mentor? :D

Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by lovich on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @12:21PM (#33534782)
Neat how all his property was just donated to him by adoring fans then. Obviously there’s no way he’s discovered to wield his vast wealth
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by akavi on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @12:47PM (#33535202)
…he starts the company. Afaik, he’s never taken any additional compensation beyond his ownership share, that came about because… he started the company.
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by lovich on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @02:20PM (#33536522)
So the multiple houses? The land in Hawaii where he tried to just take from the current owners? All that was part of the company? Pretending like he just owns the company and hasn’t taken compensation anywhere cause he has a 1 dollar a year salary is a a child like understanding of how billionaires leverage their wealth
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by triceratops on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @09:48AM (#33532319)
Resigning.
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by 0x445442 on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @09:55AM (#33532422)
Has he actually admitted how he failed in his responsibilities? I have not followed the FB fall closely but from the outside there appears to be some dubious strategic decisions at work. It would be interesting to hear him elaborate on the situation with something like “I failed to see how precarious it was to be at the mercy of Google and Apple for our core ad business”. Or, “looking back, it was a mistake to not get into cloud computing for a more diversified revenue stream”.
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by ausudhz on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @10:06AM (#33532588)
You believe that a company with plenty of privacy concerns and/or user data handling would've been successful on cloud?
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by 0x445442 on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @09:36PM (#33541499)
Not on cloud; cloud. Like AWS, GCP and Azure.
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by ausudhz on Thursday November 10, 2022 @08:33AM (#33546146)
I kinda disagree since they've been holding into their datacenter for a while plus they've the expertise to run it

Why would they need to use cloud?

Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by 0x445442 on Thursday November 10, 2022 @09:31AM (#33546959)
They wouldn’t need to use cloud, they would provide cloud services like the companies I mentioned. Of course it’s way to late in the game for that now.
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by andyjohnson0 on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @10:18AM (#33532795)
Good question. I don't know the answer. And that points to the problem, really. In rhe world as ut is, there isnt really a way to realistically imagine a CEO doing anything meaningful to take responsibility for a self-admitted error lile this.

If, just for the sake of argument, I said he should resign or compensate the affected people out of his own pocket, I'm fairly sure that people here would think I was being naive. People here are already saying that corporate leaders wouldnt take decisions if they had to be held responsible for the outcomes.

So we end-up with a bunch of people who everyone knows (a) are not responsible for mistakes, and (b) are tacitly understood to be able to make statements that habe no meaning. In other words, lies.

And thus the domain of trust becomes smaller and more fractured.

Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by s1artibartfast on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @10:47AM (#33533275)
I think people who say it's meaningless are wrong.

Saying you take responsibility is about clearing the workers of fault, it's not about thing you will reform or somehow suffer more than they will.

He could go out there and say it's not my responsibility, it is the workers fault. They underperformed. Most CEOs don't want to do that

Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by Yhippa on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @02:16PM (#33536485)
If I hired someone and they made the value of the company go down 73% in one year, I would probably fire them.
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people by nonameiguess on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @12:22PM (#33534809)
If the issue is his moonshot bets on AI research and metaverse that are not expected to immediately payout hurt the company by having too much headcount not contributing to short-term revenue, and core products can't support that, then he made a bad strategic decision, and the appropriate way to take responsibility for that is to remove the unique voting structure so that Mark is no longer the sole person capable of deciding the company's future strategy.

But either way, it's still inevitable that a change in strategy would entail elimination of some of that headcount.