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Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by barbazoo on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @11:21PM (#33527487)
I'm finally in a place where the only website I religiously check is HN. Because of it's nature, for me, it never takes up more than a few minutes every couple of hours.

It took hard work to get there. I use Nextdns to block domains of websites and apps when I realize I spend too much time on them. Could I just allowlist domains, sure, and sometimes I do that when I need to look at something on Reddit for instance. But it's easy to just not cheat.

I stopped checking news sites at all and it's been an absolute blessing. Very little that's in the news actually matters to me or my family. Even the publicly funded media is full of clickbait and sensationalism, just not worth it.

I use local public radio to stay somewhat informed about things I should know, legislation for example that's relevant to us. Radio works because it's a limited resource so at least in my case, the signal to noise ratio is acceptable there, at least every now and then.

I've been doing that for a little while now and I feel much happier. I use my phone much less frequently and for less time now. I love it.

Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by mannymanman on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @11:41PM (#33527587)
Looking forward to the day when it's easy for me to not cheat! Until then, I also find blocking websites on your hosts file (on Mac) a good solution https://masonsklut.com/how-to-block-websites-on-your-mac-usi...
Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by guggalugalug on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @11:29PM (#33527524)
Amen. One easy step anyone can take towards this direction of intentful filtering is to refrain from pulling the phone out of the pocket when standing in line. Just stand there. Look around. Watch other people. Think. Listen. The world exposed via your pocket device will not miss you. And after a while, you will learn to not miss it.
Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by 4ggr0 on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @10:03AM (#33532552)
This really is a feature I seem to lack. Standing in a line without at least listening to music makes me really uncomfortable. I don't know where to look, what to do etc.
Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by guggalugalug on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @08:37PM (#33541023)
It is tough. I feel you. Your hands suddenly, are very large; where do they go, or what do they do? But turn the music off. Take a breath. No one is talking about you, nor do you even exist; except as another human body cohabiting, briefly, space with others. Your identity consists of your instantiation in space; you can relax, allow your body-vessel to idle, and crunch through non-present problems. Or just relish the ambient hum. Maybe someone else who is unplugged has made fleeting eye contact, and asked you about the weather.
Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by 4ggr0 on Thursday November 10, 2022 @08:24AM (#33546026)
Haha, exactly :D And the required "Oh no that person looked at me, did I do something weird?"
Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by systemvoltage on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @11:39PM (#33527577)
I feel completely the opposite. HN has become quite an echo-chamber. Diverse views are not celebrated and encouraged. I usually and deliberately poke popular opinions to get a good discussion out of it and it has been disappointing.
Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by skeeter2020 on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @11:44PM (#33527602)
>> I usually and deliberately poke popular opinions to get a good discussion out of it and it has been disappointing.

Perhaps it's apparent on some level to your audience that you're doing this to raise some sort response, not because you have a strong affinity for a particular position? The last thing I want to do is gorge on the junkfood emotion of false outrage.

Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by systemvoltage on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @12:08AM (#33527716)
We can use above comment as an example. I disagree with GP, my experience has been totally opposite lately on HN. That's genuine and not trying to evoke rage or what-have-you. Sometimes, I poke to see what the opposing views are. X is all the rage right now. So, if there is a thread about it, I'll ask or point to all the ways you can shoot yourself in the foot with X.
Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by clolege on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @11:44PM (#33527603)
> Diverse views are not celebrated and encouraged.

Can you elaborate? Are they downvoted, or just not presented in the first place?

Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by Firmwarrior on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @11:54PM (#33527639)
He's full of beans, man. This site loves contrarian views, so long as they're even slightly supported by facts or anecdata.

The main thing that gets downvoted is angry tirades without evidence, and it happens to most political views/religious views no matter what side they're on.

Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by TedDoesntTalk on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @01:07AM (#33528019)
You’re assuming everyone in HN downvotes just like you. How do you know that?
Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by Jensson on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @01:34AM (#33528143)
You can see which comments get downvoted, read them and thus learn others preferences.
Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by w1nst0nsm1th on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @07:03AM (#33530338)
How do you downvote ?

I only have an up arrow.

Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by clolege on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @08:51AM (#33531562)
You need 500 karma to do it
Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by 4ggr0 on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @10:25AM (#33532905)
Do you know how the flag-function works? Sometimes I'm able to flag comments, other times the button isn't present.
Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by clolege on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @10:32AM (#33533014)
It looks like I can only flag comments once I tap reply?

You apparently also need 31 karma to do so https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23439437

Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by Firmwarrior on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @12:04PM (#33534530)
I'm just going by the posts I've seen dead and grayed out

Usually it's flame wars and nonsensical rants where the commenter appears to be off their medication

Meanwhile people are happy to have all sorts of conversations that will get you canceled elsewhere about gender, race, and vaccines (so long as the conversations are analytical anyway)

Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by systemvoltage on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @11:54PM (#33527638)
Yea sure. I won't give specific examples, otherwise the discussion will get derailed into bickering about extreme specifics to overthrow overall argument.

Try to see which comments are flagged and analyze why should they be flagged because of politics, spam, rudeness, ideology, not-factual, bigotry, etc. I'd say a significant portion of them are completely legitimate or interesting, just doesn't fit the ideology/politics here.

It's also possible to that I've changed, may be taken a red pill, I try to have a super sensitive self-introspection and try to objectively analyze what went wrong in flagged or downvoted comments.

Anyways, it's been mostly nice and to be honest, addicting. I still continue to visit HN, but will probably dial it back way down and just read weekly newsletters and avoid exposing myself to extreme-ideological positions here.

Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by clolege on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @12:20AM (#33527763)
> I won't give specific examples

That's too bad! I usually find honing in on specific examples as the most effective way to explore a topic. But I understand the possibility that it could take the conversation down a rabbit hole.

> I'd say a significant portion of them are completely legitimate or interesting, just doesn't fit the ideology/politics here

I've yet to come across many flagged comments (or had any of my own flagged) but this feels like a strange motivation on its own. I feel like flagging should be reserved for comments that break the site guidelines?

Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by prox on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @11:54PM (#33527645)
If your position is rational and well presented and curious conversation (e.g. no hoaxes or 2nd hand information) than just post it. That it is not celebrated seems an emotional response -why should people celebrate any position here?- Unless you feel upvotes/downvotes are the measure of a comment.
Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by systemvoltage on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @11:57PM (#33527660)
It's easy to get lots of upvotes. Just post praise and self-reinforcing comments and you'll get boatload upvotes. Don't care, ultimately, it is the information that goes into the brain matter that I want to benefit from.
Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by jahsome on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @12:22AM (#33527771)
I've come to believe that quality of discourse declines as communities grow in size and scope regardless of medium.
Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by bingon on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @07:57PM (#33540690)
What topics in particular do you find are insufficently diverse of opinions here? Let's discuss them here and now.
Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by barbazoo on Thursday November 10, 2022 @12:28PM (#33550002)
I get it. I wasn't really advocating for spending more time on HN. For me it's just the one piece of "social media" that I can consume responsibly. Most things go way over my head anyway so I don't get drawn into lengthy discussions. Other things are just interesting little bits of information that usually don't devolve into a rabbit hole of any kind. Occasionally I do get lost in a thread but that's an ok price to pay for me. It works for me because I'm not the kind of person smart enough to waste too much time on HN :)
Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by Firmwarrior on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @11:51PM (#33527631)
Damn man, I was just thinking about how annoying it is that I can't find anything fun to do on my phone. I just check HackerNews and painstakingly slowly type comments in on here at 20 WPM. I can get a tiny glance at the world news through news.google, but that site gets worse every time I load it up. I tried paying for Apple News, but it was all low-quality clickbait.

What were some of the things you had to wean yourself off?

I can occasionally find an OK game to play for a little while, but the quality is really awful on phone games. Very frustrating considering my phone is probably 4x as powerful as a Nintendo Switch.

I love to read books, but can't find enough good ones to keep it up. I'm not a big TV guy and especially hate YouTube.

Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by Jarwain on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @12:29AM (#33527810)
Most of the stories I read these days aren't technically books but web serials. It can be tricky sifting good stuff from meh, but royalroad's reviews are much better than Amazon's, and Topwebfiction is a pretty good ranking board (as long as the serial is still being updated. Although Worm's been finished for almost a decade now, and as of right now it's #10 on the weekly leaderboard)
Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by gretch on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @12:19AM (#33527757)
For games, I recommend small puzzle games. Microsoft freecell/solitaire. Match 3 games. There's some good ones, but you want the ones that really lean into being a mobile game and is not just a poor version of a full game (e.g. diablo immortal)
Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by kioleanu on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @12:06AM (#33527709)
Regarding books, most of the books I read recently came from Reddit on /r/suggestmeabook - I am lazy, I just search for “page turner” on the sub, but I also like browsing and seeing people asking for subjects I wouldn’t have thought of.
Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by shigawire on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @12:23AM (#33527776)
You could run emulators on your phone if you want better games.
Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by dumpsterdiver on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @01:21AM (#33528078)
> Damn man, I was just thinking about how annoying it is that I can't find anything fun to do on my phone.

I feel your pain. As I've grown older I've found it more difficult to enjoy video games no matter what the medium is, and likewise the news seems to all read the same these days except for the "who" in the story.

I used to think that no video game or movie could scare me, and I craved to find that, but then I played Friday Nights at Freddy's on VR and quickly found my limits. I know now that video games can scare me - to the point of involuntarily crying out in a high-pitched girly voice (for reference, I'm a middle-aged grey bearded man). So that wasn't my thing either.

The games I enjoy these days (far and few in between - i.e. a weekend every blue moon) are pretty much the kind of games I made fun of fifteen years ago - Farmville type games. I don't want to examine a table and read the description of all of the worse-than-worthless items upon it (looking at you, heavy brass candlestick). I just want to water my plants and come back later. Maybe I'll come back fifteen minutes later while I'm still on my elliptical and get another round of harvesting in, or maybe I wont return for another month. These days I don't play games often, but when I do, I play very slow games. At this point I wouldn't put it past myself to play a game that revolves around paint drying.

Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by Firmwarrior on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @11:56AM (#33534382)
Haha, yeah, VR horror is way too much for me too. Wow, it's like I'm actually being ripped apart by zombies!

I still have a blast playing games on my consoles/PC FWIW, I just don't like any of the ones I've found on phones lately

Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by MichaelCollins on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @01:48AM (#33528243)
Just count yourself lucky you don't have many phone habits to kick. Don't try acquire more habits, you're already winning.
Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by w1nst0nsm1th on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @06:53AM (#33530253)
For mobile games, I would suggest Amanita Design studio.

Machinarium, Samorost 3, Creaks, Pilgrims, Botanicula.

They are available on PC, gog.com, Steam, Apple Appstore.

They are hand crafted point & click games.

Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by barbazoo on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @11:47AM (#33534222)
I'm still in the phase where I pick up my phone and then don't really know what to do with it. Mobile games are mostly garbage I found. Hopefully sometime soon my brain will internalize the fact that the phone doesn't provide a torrent of hormones anymore and let me not pick it up in the first place.

One thing I'm trying is to put books in places I would previously do my doomscrolling in, coffee table by the couch for instance. Sometimes I pick up the book instead of the phone, read a page or 5 and then go do something else. Small win, yay me.

The thing I have to learn is that the phone is a tool, not a way to spend time because I don't know what else to do, at least not the default way.

To anyone working on maximizing user engagement, think about what you're doing to all of us, please.

Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by waynesonfire on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @12:05AM (#33527699)
I'm trying to get off of hackernews during the day. I'm thinking about just having some other reading material by my side, like an academic paper or a book to work through when I need to take a break.

We'll see how it goes. I just don't need to be checking hackernews as often as I do.

Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by jahsome on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @12:17AM (#33527746)
I killed off Facebook and Twitter years ago, but opted out of the news for the most part when the pandemic kicked off.

I don't really intend to go back.

I skim enough to get a grasp of what's going on about once or twice a day (a la reading the evening paper of yore) but tend to stick to aggregated/curated sources and investigate personal curiosity rather than succumbing to salaciousness and surface-deep echo chambered "news" content about some dumb tweet from some misguided soul.

I am a lighter man, but part of me began to wonder what the cost was: will society pass me by? The longer I have spent operating in this fashion, the less I care.

I find I have so much more empathy, especially for my kids & wife. It has truly given me a fresh outlook, and allowed me to focus on spending my time in ways I actually value.

Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by Watchwatcher on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @12:18AM (#33527756)
After realizing that HN can be a rather challenging place (highlighted in the shocking moderation of the Queen E death announcement thread), I actually took a substantial break from HN. And it made me quite a bit happier. I recommend you make your own HN with RSS. It is substantially better that way. You won't be at the mercy of one moderators personal belief system and your 'main page' will hopefully better reflect your interests.
Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by robin_reala on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @12:29AM (#33527803)
Dang’s explanation of the moderation of that thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32773299
Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by Watchwatcher on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @09:50AM (#33532350)
I appear to have been rate limited for my comment. Looks not much has changed since that day.
Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by TedDoesntTalk on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @01:06AM (#33528008)
> recommend you make your own HN with RSS

How? Please…

Re:TikTok’s Greatest Asset Isn’t Its Algorithm–It’s Your Phone by Watchwatcher on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @09:46AM (#33532296)
You need a reader. There are many. Then you just add the website feeds that you follow to it. You can even add HN, specific subreddits, and YouTube channels!