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Re:Productivity has fallen, and experts are puzzled. I’m not... by tayo42 on Friday November 04, 2022 @12:35PM (#33469514)
The US is a sick country. Keep working harder, but for what? Every time I feel like I get a step forward I get knocked back. Leave college into a recession, then get jobs that don't pay. Manage to get a software job and get ahead financially, then covid happens, save a ton for a house, then another recession, house prices and rent go up, now interest rates are to high now. Keep working, keep climbing, its not having results.

Some kid in Portugal was chatting with me about the US. He said never he'd never want to come here, to many guns, and we work way to much. Yeah we work our selves to death, in our suburban covered hell.

At least everyone I know is sick of work, corporate bull shit, sick of not getting ahead ever, and grinding away on meaningless tasks, we're all burned out.

Re:Productivity has fallen, and experts are puzzled. I’m not... by seanw444 on Friday November 04, 2022 @12:40PM (#33469607)
Why is everyone so scared of guns? They're machines. You should be much more terrified of other people driving.
Re:Productivity has fallen, and experts are puzzled. I’m not... by tayo42 on Friday November 04, 2022 @12:43PM (#33469652)
i don't want to get off topic to much, but its because no where else has killing devices around they way the US does. I've heard this sentiment a lot when traveling.
Re:Productivity has fallen, and experts are puzzled. I’m not... by seanw444 on Friday November 04, 2022 @12:47PM (#33469757)
I have a killing machine on me every time I leave the house. I haven't killed anyone. I never will until someone threatens my life, or the life of someone close to me. I am quite certain I walk past many similar people daily. It reassures me when I think about it.

I'd rather be around 7 people concealed-carrying at a business, than at a "gun-free" business.

Re:Productivity has fallen, and experts are puzzled. I’m not... by sjsdaiuasgdia on Friday November 04, 2022 @12:55PM (#33469930)
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081

The US has far more guns and far more gun violence than anywhere else in the developed world, by huge margins.

Personal ownership of guns does not make individuals safer. Indeed, it's quite the opposite when you look at the data.

Your anecdote is not data.

Re:Productivity has fallen, and experts are puzzled. I’m not... by seanw444 on Friday November 04, 2022 @01:05PM (#33470109)
I will take my anecdote over this data. I am undoubtedly much safer surrounded by moral gun carriers, than when I am around only unarmed people.

My state doesn't even require permits to do so. Can't recall the last mass shooting that happened in this state.

My boss is chill with me carrying at work. A couple coworkers know that I carry at work. The police are chill when I'm pulled over, and I announce that I am carrying.

There's a culture issue. Guns aren't leaving. Banning them leaves us more vulnerable. Citizens commonly carried firearms around the world until the rise of fascism. Now the norm is disarming the populous. I'm more scared of my government knowing that the citizenry they govern have no means of retaliation, than I am of the very very miniscule chance that I'll have to stop a mass shooter.

Re:Productivity has fallen, and experts are puzzled. I’m not... by sjsdaiuasgdia on Friday November 04, 2022 @01:25PM (#33470424)
Ok keep ignoring data and reality and saying "how does this happen?" every time another mass shooting happens.
Re:Productivity has fallen, and experts are puzzled. I’m not... by seanw444 on Friday November 04, 2022 @01:45PM (#33470834)
We agree there's a problem. We disagree on what the problem is, and how to fix it. You're not gonna fix anything.
Re:Productivity has fallen, and experts are puzzled. I’m not... by sjsdaiuasgdia on Friday November 04, 2022 @01:50PM (#33470957)
Quite a few other countries have solved the gun violence problem via gun control. The US could too.

It's pretty logical that less guns = less gun violence.

You will never be allowed to have weaponry that can seriously challenge the US military in any meaningful way, that govt resistance part is a pipe dream.

Re:Productivity has fallen, and experts are puzzled. I’m not... by seanw444 on Saturday November 05, 2022 @01:23PM (#33483489)
That was the whole point of the 2A.

The government being too powerful doesn't mean "well it's over, let's just make them more powerful."

Y'all take an existing problem and jump in the totally wrong direction with solutions.

Re:Productivity has fallen, and experts are puzzled. I’m not... by mmastrac on Friday November 04, 2022 @12:44PM (#33469665)
I think this is the question you need to ask yourself and understand.
Re:Productivity has fallen, and experts are puzzled. I’m not... by newone2three on Friday November 04, 2022 @12:44PM (#33469674)
I think (I _think_) maybe because they’re machines designed to kill people.

Just a guess.

Re:Productivity has fallen, and experts are puzzled. I’m not... by Moissanite on Friday November 04, 2022 @12:45PM (#33469687)
Do guns also come with airbags and anti-roll cages to protect you from other people who don't know how to operate their gun safely?
Re:Productivity has fallen, and experts are puzzled. I’m not... by seanw444 on Friday November 04, 2022 @01:21PM (#33470358)
Gun safety isn't the issue. Gun safety is heavily scrutinized and important to the overwhelming majority of moral gun owners.

The problem is sociopaths that want attention. Gun safety doesn't fix that. Getting gunned down before they can carry out their sick acts, and not being talked about on corporate media, are what's needed.

Re:Productivity has fallen, and experts are puzzled. I’m not... by sattoshi on Friday November 04, 2022 @12:46PM (#33469707)
People fear what they don’t know, and the media pushing it as a partisan issue doesn’t help.
Re:Productivity has fallen, and experts are puzzled. I’m not... by i_am_jl on Friday November 04, 2022 @12:46PM (#33469710)
There are plenty of terrible drivers in Portugal and the US.

That's not true of a gun violence problem.

Re:Productivity has fallen, and experts are puzzled. I’m not... by VincentEvans on Friday November 04, 2022 @12:46PM (#33469712)
Most don’t choose to interpret what they read in the most literal sense possible.

American gun culture scares even a majority of Americans themselves.

Incidentally we just concluded yet another trial determining the fate of yet another teenage shooter who committed yet another mass murder in yet another high school. Do we need to continue this debate?

Re:Productivity has fallen, and experts are puzzled. I’m not... by seanw444 on Friday November 04, 2022 @01:46PM (#33470868)
You use the term "majority" pretty hastily.

Are you speaking in terms of liberal city-dwellers, or all areas of America?

We're up to half of the country adopting permitless concealed-carry, with others in the process. Doesn't sound like the majority of the country to me.

Re:Productivity has fallen, and experts are puzzled. I’m not... by VincentEvans on Friday November 04, 2022 @06:39PM (#33474973)
I am using the term majority in a very traditional sense.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/09/13/key-facts-a...

48% of americans think gun violence is a “very big problem”, 24% “moderate problem”, and 22% “small problem”.

2% think it’s “not a problem at all”.

Re:Productivity has fallen, and experts are puzzled. I’m not... by nine_zeros on Friday November 04, 2022 @12:46PM (#33469731)
The difference is what is the primary utility of a gun vs a car. It is the primary utility that determines societal value.
Re:Productivity has fallen, and experts are puzzled. I’m not... by mrits on Friday November 04, 2022 @12:50PM (#33469812)
This makes absolutely no sense. Newspapers and cars have high societal value but reading the paper while driving a car does not.
Re:Productivity has fallen, and experts are puzzled. I’m not... by nine_zeros on Friday November 04, 2022 @12:59PM (#33470010)
> This makes absolutely no sense. Newspapers and cars have high societal value but reading the paper while driving a car does not.

Are we mixing and matching things just to prove a point? Because the only place where a gun really makes sense is at a war or at a place of extreme crime. Not while driving a car and not while reading a newspaper.

Re:Productivity has fallen, and experts are puzzled. I’m not... by mrits on Friday November 04, 2022 @01:15PM (#33470274)
Your car is going to cause a mass extinction. My gun is going to sit in my closet. Critical thinking is, as they say, critical.
Re:Productivity has fallen, and experts are puzzled. I’m not... by nine_zeros on Friday November 04, 2022 @02:38PM (#33471645)
> Your car is going to cause a mass extinction. My gun is going to sit in my closet. Critical thinking is, as they say, critical.

Not so fast. Your gun (and its variants) are designed to cause extinction. Cars aren't.

And listen up son. If you cannot distinguish between the primary use of things at a given time, you have big problems in life. I would recommend going back to high school to learn what "Critical thinking is, as they say, critical" means.

Re:Productivity has fallen, and experts are puzzled. I’m not... by dang on Friday November 04, 2022 @12:50PM (#33469824)
Please don't take HN threads into nationalistic flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Productivity has fallen, and experts are puzzled. I’m not... by tayo42 on Friday November 04, 2022 @12:56PM (#33469941)
how was this nationalistic or a flame war? The article is about US worker productivity, how can I not comment about the US?
Re:Productivity has fallen, and experts are puzzled. I’m not... by dang on Friday November 04, 2022 @01:42PM (#33470782)
It's a classic generic tangent in that you went from the specific topic (US worker productivity) to the larger set of repetitive controversial themes (e.g. guns) that people tend to get sucked into. We try to avoid those (see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html) because of the repetition and because the threads usually turn nastier and dumber. People don't really talk with each other—they just repeat pre-existing opinions.

The other aspect is that if you make statements about a country that are both general and pejorative ("The US is a sick country"), that's nationalistic flamebait.

Re:Productivity has fallen, and experts are puzzled. I’m not... by tayo42 on Friday November 04, 2022 @01:57PM (#33471099)
Hmm I was just trying to make the post a little more interesting by including extra details, making it more personal I guess. I'm far from the world greatest writer.