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Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by 2000UltraDeluxe on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @03:36AM (#33432372)
> It’s crazy that anyone can force a full-screen interrupt on my personal device with no context.

It's a _phone_. Phone calls are it's primary function. If you don't want that, wouldn't a pad be a better option than a phone?

Besides, how would you handle calls from landlines and such?

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by thereisnospork on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @03:48AM (#33432455)
>Besides, how would you handle calls from landlines and such?

Direct to voicemail, of course, with a message saying 'text me' for automatic transcription. As they say, its a feature not a bug [to not be interrupted]. In a perfect world I'd have a secretary or AI to screen calls on my behalf, but I don't.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by TeMPOraL on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @04:29AM (#33432724)
Ironically, you almost do. Last week I updated my S22 to Android 13, and one of the new features Samsung claims to have implemented[0] is to have Bixby pick the call for you, transcribe what the caller says, and display it on screen, giving you a choice to pick up the call, or type/select a reply that Bixby will then say to the caller. With spam call detection being an established feature for years already, the ingredients for your AI assistant are already there.

Now that I think of it, I might actually try this the next time a telemarketer calls.

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[0] - I haven't actually tested it, nor seen it in action - just saw it being mentioned when I reviewed "Tips" app after update.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by wildrhythms on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @06:53AM (#33433823)
Pixel phones have call screen feature today, and anecdotally it works great. I haven't picked up to a telemarketer in over a year.

https://support.google.com/assistant/answer/9118387?hl=en

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by newbie2020 on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @10:29AM (#33436388)
Thankfully you’re not charge of designing my phone
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by danielbln on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @03:55AM (#33432501)
Is there a 5-6 inch pad available? If not, then that's not an alternative, can't shove a 10 inch tablet into my pocket. And while it's called a phone, the primary function for many (dare I say most?) is definitely not doing voice calls, hell my phone app icon isn't even on the homescreen anymore, that's how little I use this device for phone calls and I use it for hours every day otherwise.
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by 2000UltraDeluxe on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @05:07AM (#33433035)
> Is there a 5-6 inch pad available?

Android tablets? Several.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by rootusrootus on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @11:56AM (#33437897)
I'd be interest to know what those are. Smallest I've been able to find is 8 inches.
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by 2000UltraDeluxe on Friday November 04, 2022 @06:05AM (#33464133)
Hmm, I was going to get back to you with a list, but it seems most of the 6-inchers have been discontinued. The Amazon Fire 6 would have been the most prominent example.

There are some, but none of them would be suitable for consumer use.

I stand corrected!

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by dotancohen on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @05:35AM (#33433256)
Samsung Note series of phones. I've been using them since the Note 3 and could not imagine using any other device without a stylus.

Yes, it's primarily a phone by market segmentation. But it's a small tablet by features.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by saurik on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @03:58AM (#33432524)
> If you don't want that, wouldn't a pad be a better option than a phone?

1) Do they make devices that aren't phones that are the size of a note"pad"? The smallest non-phone tablet devices are now (with the death of iPod touch) the size of (at best) a small note"book", not a sensibly-sized-for-portable-usage note"pad".

2) That doesn't even solve the problem as tons of Internet-connected messaging software now supports calls, so I feel like you are missing the point in some sense: the person you are responding to is seriously talking about WhatsApp!

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by rvieira on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @05:25AM (#33433175)
tbf, it depends. I make/receive around 1 call per month, if that.

To me, it's a good quality camera that I can fit in my pocket.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by midoridensha on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @05:39AM (#33433277)
>It's a _phone_. Phone calls are it's primary function.

No, it's not. You sound like a dinosaur. A phone's primary functions are 1) text-messaging apps, 2) camera, 3) dating apps, 4) banking apps, and various others. Phone calls are somewhere around #20.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by MichaelZuo on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @10:23AM (#33436276)
Not according to the mobile OS engineering teams at Apple or Google. Phone calls are intentionally given priority over other functions.
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by happyopossum on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @11:34AM (#33437516)
> Not according to the mobile OS engineering teams at Apple

Phone calls haven't forced full screen takeovers for several years on iOS, and have the same UX as 3rd party VoIP and Video call apps...

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by MichaelZuo on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @11:50AM (#33437789)
Priority isn't solely limited to forced full screen takeovers.
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by jobs_throwaway on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @10:47AM (#33436698)
dating apps over phone calls is an absolutely ludicrous take that demonstrates a disconnect from reality
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by coldpie on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @11:56AM (#33437885)
Definitely not. It depends on who you and your circle of friends are, of course, but dating apps are definitely way higher usage than phone calls among anyone I know. I use my phone as a phone less than half a dozen times per year. If the phone functionality vanished, I don't think I would mind.
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by jobs_throwaway on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @12:08PM (#33438128)
the disconnect is that you're not able to see outside your bubble. Your average iphone or android user is using the phone function far more than dating apps
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by coldpie on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @12:23PM (#33438403)
How do we know who is in a bubble? :) When I walk around downtown, I see hundreds of people on their phones, and maybe one or two of them is actually using it as a phone. Obviously I don't know if they're on dating apps specifically, but they are enormously popular, so it seems plausible.
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by jobs_throwaway on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @12:53PM (#33438943)
A quick google search will show you that you could not be further from the truth :)
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by midoridensha on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @08:20PM (#33444895)
No, they're not. In the country I'm living in, *no one* uses phone calls except for rare things like delivery people calling because the box doesn't fit in your apartment's delivery boxes. Absolutely no one under the age of 50 uses voice calling to talk to their friends or family; they all use LINE texting.

I haven't taken a phone call in over a month now (from the Amazon delivery guy). I use dating and texting apps every day.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by Cederfjard on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @01:28PM (#33439665)
You only do voice calls six times in a year?
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by coldpie on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @01:42PM (#33439903)
Something on that order, yeah. Looking through my phone's call log, I had a call with a friend in mid-August, and another with another friend in mid-July. Prior to that was a call with my mom in April and that's as far back as the log goes.
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by imchillyb on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @11:02AM (#33436956)
You sound like you’re disconnected from reality.

Phone = Telephone: The term telephone was adopted into the vocabulary of many languages. It is derived from the Greek: τῆλε, tēle, "far" and φωνή, phōnē, "voice", together meaning "distant voice".

Distant voice communication is the entire purpose for a phone.

Just because you want or expect your phone to do more, doesn’t make your desires the primary function of the device.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by kevmo314 on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @11:30AM (#33437469)
The save button icon is also a floppy disk.
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by monocasa on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @01:30PM (#33439692)
And geometry is from the Greek γῆ (gê) 'earth, land', and μέτρον (métron) 'a measure', referring to it's original use as a tool for surveying farm plots in flood plains. It's obviously expanded much past that original definition to the point now that the original definition is simply one small application of the tool.

Names change much slower the function generally.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by ryandrake on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @11:15AM (#33437179)
The way I like to look at it is: Imagine a world where the concept of a phone call never existed. Then, suddenly someone invents an app that:

1. Allows an instant, full-screen foreground takeover over whatever else you are currently doing on the device

2. Rings and vibrates your device

3. Has a button that could allow an unknown person to send and receive audio to and from your device

4. All of this is triggered remotely, from anyone in the world, without any kind of user identification or authentication, besides a spoofable number

No app store's rules in either major ecosystem would allow such an abusive app. Yet, only because the legacy concept of a "phone call" exists, not only is the app allowed, but it's preloaded on every device out there!

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by yifanl on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @11:26AM (#33437390)
If things were different, things would be different, certainly. But things are not different, so things are not different.
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by Clent on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @11:57AM (#33437916)
It's a pocket computer.

The phone feature is a legacy feature that goes away with 2G. Soon carriers will only be moving data.

The providers have data to show that the phone functionality is not a primary use case. It is a legacy product whose overhead has a real cost on our economy.

When do we stop paying $10-$20 a month per lines of service, for the privileging of being interrupted? When do we stop calling it a smartphone and treating as such and recognizing it as as computer, a laptop for your pocket.

I expect those born in the last century to be most resistant to the deprecation of the 'phone call' as a concept. People also reminisced about having phone lines that were partied together. Imagine what scammers would do with that today.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by hedora on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @12:39PM (#33438697)
I doubt people from the last century are the ones holding on to the idea of a phone call.

Whatever telcos are doing these days would have led to jail time in the 1990s.

I would like to see a return to the government passing QOS laws for safety critical services, then enforcing them.

Since everyone is dunking on twitter these days: How is it legal for them to slap an auth wall on top of emergency response agencies' feeds? If I MITM'ed the emergency broadcast system with such bullshit, I'd go to jail. Twitter is used during emergencies by at least 100x more people than emergency broadcast.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by qu4z-2 on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @05:41PM (#33443289)
Unfortunately it kind of fails at being a good pocket computer (all else aside they got rid of the concept of files and replaced it with nothing). The fact that it fails at being a phone too is just adding insult to injury.
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @10:34AM (#33436464)
As a phone, all cell phones are terrible. In the wired-phone era companies used to advertise on call quality. Nobody does that any more because the quality of cell phone calls is so abysmal that text with (or without frankly) emojis is an order of magnitude better for communication.

If they made pads the size of my phone that could still use cell network internet and that I could put a custom OS on I'd consider it.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by yamtaddle on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @03:09PM (#33441340)
People who never experienced a really good connection when no more than a little of the phone & switching network was digitized, surely have no idea what they're missing. I've never once heard a call since that era that was as good—VOIP, Zoom, cell network, modern POTS network, whatever.
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by solumunus on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @11:00AM (#33436913)
> It's a _phone_. Phone calls are it's primary function.

So? This is a way to improve phone calls.

Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by stepanhruda on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @01:24PM (#33439572)
Hah, no it's not, I don't even have the phone app on my home screen unless I search for it.
Re:The first minute of every phone call is torture now by mikestew on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @02:24PM (#33440598)
t's a _phone_. Phone calls are it's primary function.

Not for about fifteen years or so, no. I don't even have the Phone app on the front page of my iPhone, let alone allow it to sit in the dock. Regardless, whatever the primary function of the device, there is room for improvement over "it's always worked that way".