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Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by Pathogen-David on Saturday October 29, 2022 @11:36AM (#33384945)
This is also a huge issue with Blender and pops up on /r/blender from time to time.

(Here's a few random recent examples: https://redd.it/xxkx5s https://redd.it/vvrxko https://redd.it/xwkky8 https://redd.it/vuqu1r)

Ad networks and content providers get up in arms over widespread ad blocking but then allow stuff like this through.

Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by ilyt on Saturday October 29, 2022 @12:01PM (#33385236)
Yeah, blocking ads quickly became security improvement...
Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by hawski on Saturday October 29, 2022 @12:23PM (#33385486)
Always was. Does anyone remember the defacto original ad-blockers that blocking popups were? Firefox was marketed with this feature.

It is basically a condom for the Internet. It makes maintenance for family computers much easier.

Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by geoduck14 on Saturday October 29, 2022 @12:54PM (#33385806)
But if you block pop-ups, that web page with Rick Astley's cool video popping up won't play.

/s

Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by axiolite on Saturday October 29, 2022 @01:40PM (#33386257)
> Does anyone remember the defacto original ad-blockers that blocking popups were?

I was using the Internet Junkbuster (and later: Privoxy) in the mid-90s, many years before that. https://web.archive.org/web/19961222061917/http://www.junkbu...

Of course, back then you could just disable javascript in your web browser to protect yourself from malicious sites and annyances, and practically all sites would work perfectly fine.

Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by juunpp on Saturday October 29, 2022 @02:35PM (#33386742)
Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by 0x00000000 on Saturday October 29, 2022 @09:47PM (#33390097)
Isn’t this a violation of the first amendment in the same way that a politician blocking someone on Twitter is?
Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by throwaway742 on Saturday October 29, 2022 @10:35PM (#33390461)
That's cute. You think the NSA and the CIA care about the constitution.
Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by matheusmoreira on Saturday October 29, 2022 @12:34PM (#33385607)
Turns out uBlock Origin is the best anti-malware software there is. For some reason friends and family just don't seem to get malware anymore after I installed it on their browsers.
Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by ocdtrekkie on Saturday October 29, 2022 @01:04PM (#33385905)
As soon as you realize how much of Google's bottom line is scam and malware distribution, it becomes really hard to view the company as anything but crooks.

Google's other big line of business is shaking down businesses for cash by selling the top result for someone's own brand name unless they're paid for protection.

Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by matheusmoreira on Saturday October 29, 2022 @01:17PM (#33386061)
Even if ads were 100% legit verified links, they would still be scams. Advertising is inherently untrustworthy. Why do people trust anything a corporation says about their own products? In the best case scenario, they're highlighting the pros and omitting the cons. Usually they're just straight up lying.

I want real opinions written by real people with no conflict of interest. People who are't getting paid by the corporation.

Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by ocdtrekkie on Saturday October 29, 2022 @01:37PM (#33386233)
I agree, but the fact that even if you hold the view that ads are beneficial to society, Google is still a bad actor and a net negative to all of us, is particularly noteworthy. We all pay for Google via folks paying ransoms and other scams, having to indirectly pay for high ad budgets every company has to pay off Google to avoid their own search result being squatted by a competitor, etc. There is no company on the planet that the world would benefit more from being shut down.
Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by robocat on Saturday October 29, 2022 @06:23PM (#33388546)
> shut down Google (paraphrased)

But the incentives for advertising remain the same, so another similar competitor with similar evilness would emerge to replace them.

I don’t believe the problem is “Google is evil”.

I think the problem is that the incentives create evil, and there is little effective effort (that I have seen) to fix Google’s incentives through legislation or other means.

I worry that many other major companies we interact with are heading down the same path.

TVs are one canary warning us.

Another example: Apple seems to be getting keener on advertising revenue, and I’m not sure that opposing incentives (within Apple or by their customers) are strong enough to overcome the financial temptation. That temptation leads to eventual sin (to use a religious metaphor!) Apple already commits egregious harm through many kinds of “free” apps.

Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by ericlnu on Sunday October 30, 2022 @05:49AM (#33392866)
10000% agreed
Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by agluszak on Saturday October 29, 2022 @01:46PM (#33386306)
Why is this getting downvoted?
Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by iamacyborg on Saturday October 29, 2022 @02:03PM (#33386480)
Because it’s nonsense
Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by matheusmoreira on Saturday October 29, 2022 @02:48PM (#33386868)
Why?
Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by notahacker on Saturday October 29, 2022 @04:04PM (#33387502)
Linking to company websites so people looking to buy stuff that company makes can find it is a scam, because company websites are biased in favour of that company is not an argument actual adults should make, still less adults who have used the internet (and for that matter, shops!) before. Actual adults are well aware that a company's web page will say good things about the company and that third parties might have different opinions if they care to look elsewhere for them. Insisting that anything written by anyone paid to sell something is a scam [comparable to a trojan masquerading as popular OSS!] is pretty much the reductio ad absurdum version of HN's general aversion to advertising.

The argument for ad blockers is that ads are annoying and trackers are intrusive, not that people should avoid all interaction with any commercial entities ever, even when they're literally looking to buy something.

(And no, the company paying Google for ads so their website appears in the results for a particular search term is not inherently more dishonest than them paying an SEO consultant to achieve the same thing 'organically'...)

Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by matheusmoreira on Saturday October 29, 2022 @08:48PM (#33389646)
I wasn't even talking about paid links specifically. It's advertising in general that's the problem. Call me a child all you want, I don't care. The simple fact remains that they have an inherent conflict of interest. It's not an absurd argument at all. People who want to sell you something have every incentive to distort the truth and only fools believe them.
Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by iamacyborg on Sunday October 30, 2022 @03:31AM (#33392048)
Arguing that advertising in general is bad is even more of a nonsense statement.
Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by ericlnu on Sunday October 30, 2022 @05:54AM (#33392893)
Yes. Please, people, stop believing their lies. Use your minds too. Don't just react.
Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by mxkopy on Saturday October 29, 2022 @08:55PM (#33389716)
> Linking to company websites so people looking to buy stuff that company makes can find it is a scam, because company websites are biased in favour of that company

This isn't a faithful interpretation of the argument. Most people don't use Google to look for things to buy. They use it to find accurate information.

Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by notahacker on Sunday October 30, 2022 @04:45AM (#33392485)
Most people clicking on a link to a company website - ads or otherwise - do so because they want to hear what that company has to say about themselves and their products, not because their childlike grasp of the world makes them expect every result to provide utterly impartial information.
Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by gkbrk on Saturday October 29, 2022 @03:07PM (#33387026)
A large chunk of this websites user-base is working for ad companies like Google or Facebook. Another large chunk earns money from putting those ads on their apps.
Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by Kiro on Saturday October 29, 2022 @07:08PM (#33388860)
Out of all legit things getting downvoted on this site you choose this one, a comment that is obviously just a low effort bait.
Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by matheusmoreira on Saturday October 29, 2022 @08:58PM (#33389731)
It's actually just my opinion. I'll even say it again: advertising is inherently untrustworthy, a nuisance and of negative value to society. I think it should be illegal.

If you think I'm trolling, report me. If dang tells me to stop, I will respect his decision. Don't accuse me of "baiting" otherwise. This isn't 4chan.

Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by ericlnu on Sunday October 30, 2022 @05:51AM (#33392880)
I've had legit comments here downvoted too, probably some far right "activists" or corpo stooges doing stuff like that
Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by ptato on Saturday October 29, 2022 @03:25PM (#33387195)
Advertising is not meant to be educational, it's meant to make you aware the product exists. Of course you're don't have to trust what the company is saying, but now you know their product exists and what it does. If it was something you were looking for, you can now research it and ask for opinion.
Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by orangecat on Saturday October 29, 2022 @04:49PM (#33387826)
Advertising is not meant to be educational, it's meant to make you aware the product exists.

That's maybe 10% of what advertising does. Everyone on the planet is well aware that Coke is a carbonated beverage.

Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by BLKNSLVR on Saturday October 29, 2022 @06:37PM (#33388660)
Advertising is manipulative by it's very nature. Being made aware that it exists is manipulative in a somewhat forgivable way, but often the words and message are intended to motivate people with various forms of emotional manipulation.

Advertising is pretty gross.

And maybe that wasn't always the case, and maybe it's also using advertising in place of another word, but that's where it's ended up in my understanding of the world.

Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by ericlnu on Sunday October 30, 2022 @05:48AM (#33392858)
To add,

It's become lifestyle sales, of you buy this, you'll be this. They use that technique just about everywhere now. Used to be just cars and fashion. Like someone else said, emotional manipulation, narcissistic [my add].

Most people don't think with logic, but with emotions, so they're easy targets. Which makes me sad, because frankly no one deserves to get scammed and lied to.

I'm the type of person to appreciate direct and frank discussion. Many don't like this, especially people having power ambitions.

Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by mxkopy on Saturday October 29, 2022 @08:46PM (#33389622)
In a post-Google world the purpose of advertising is to influence the internal associations someone has with a product or brand
Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by matheusmoreira on Saturday October 29, 2022 @09:08PM (#33389807)
> Advertising is not meant to be educational

And yet it tries do "educate" the public about why they should buy whatever product or service they're offering. Lies and half-truths are common.

Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by missedthecue on Saturday October 29, 2022 @04:15PM (#33387573)
I would bet real money that a negligible amount of Google's bottom line is scam and malware distribution.
Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by ocdtrekkie on Saturday October 29, 2022 @06:38PM (#33388668)
I am confident even Google fails to understand how much of their own business is scams and malware.
Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by yazzku on Saturday October 29, 2022 @06:52PM (#33388767)
This is not merely rhetorical. Nvidia, for example, was caught hard during the first cryptocurrency bust... and the second.
Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by kristianp on Sunday October 30, 2022 @12:29AM (#33391087)
What's nvidia and crypto mining hardware got to do with Advertising scams? Mining isn't a scam in itself.
Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by account42 on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @05:12AM (#33433081)
Were they caught hard or did they have a relatively small oversupply after milking the demand for as long as possible?
Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by itronitron on Saturday October 29, 2022 @04:57PM (#33387880)
I haven't used Google Search in over four years but it sounds like they have followed the SourceForge path based on your description.
Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by ericlnu on Sunday October 30, 2022 @05:55AM (#33392901)
Pretty much, and worse
Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by account42 on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @05:02AM (#33432998)
Oh it gets worse: Google has the gall position themselves on the authority on malware on the web [0], which they of course do with the same dedication to quality and support that they are known for in their other offerings. So they distribute malware themselves while defaming others with accusations of distributing malware.

[0] https://safebrowsing.google.com/

Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by TacticalCoder on Saturday October 29, 2022 @07:53PM (#33389177)
I put PiHole on a Raspberry Pi as the home's DNS and every time it blocks these links. I still click on them thinking they're taking me to the correct site, but then I realized PiHole "saved me". I configured my wife's computers to use the Pi too and she loves it.
Re:GIMP: Targeted Attack via a Google Ad by Kuinox on Sunday October 30, 2022 @12:30AM (#33391092)
Ublock make it that the links are not even displayed. You may be interested in https://github.com/Barre/privaxy