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Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by greysphere on Thursday October 27, 2022 @03:51PM (#33363079)
Starting around January, our app (Dominion[1]) has randomly had updates rejected (including one that _delisted the existing app_) because of our app description. We make some irrelevant changes and resubmit and, so far, it's been accepted each time. We've had the same description for over a year/10+ releases before.

The latest rejection:

>>> The app title or description does not accurately describe the app’s functionality. Issue details

We found an issue in the following area(s): Full description (en_US): “▪ Tutorial & Rules ” <<<

So we changed this to:

▪ In app Tutorial & Rules

And it passed. Every release is just a bucket of stress that we are going to lose N-days of revenue again for no obvious reason.

[1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.templegate...

Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by sneak on Thursday October 27, 2022 @04:02PM (#33363224)
Perhaps it's time to stop sharecropping.
Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by lakomen on Thursday October 27, 2022 @04:21PM (#33363478)
Excuse my ignorance, not a native English speaker, what's sharecropping? Google's description doesn't make any sense to me.
Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by Imnimo on Thursday October 27, 2022 @04:32PM (#33363620)
Sharecropping originally refers to a process where a landowner would let people farm their land in exchange for a portion of the yield. It has negative associations with post-slavery exploitation of black farmers as well as poor farmers in general in the 1800s and early 1900s. In this setting, it's being used to compare the practice of hosting and selling your app on someone else's platform, with those same connotations of exploitation.
Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by acomjean on Thursday October 27, 2022 @04:30PM (#33363599)
Basically they are saying to stop putting your app on the app store and letting google take a large % of the app and letting your business be dependent on another business.

In this case the landlord is Google, and you are the sharecropper, giving a share (30%) to google to be allowed to use the play store.

Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by sneak on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:04PM (#33364018)
More importantly: a share whose figure is chosen by the owner, not by you.
Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by sneak on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:03PM (#33364009)
Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by svnpenn on Thursday October 27, 2022 @04:12PM (#33363377)
Not sure why the downvotes, this is exactly what's happening.
Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by aliqot on Thursday October 27, 2022 @04:15PM (#33363412)
It's a throwback to a painful point in history, so while it is accurate, some people will kneejerk downvote out of internal distaste to it.
Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by 0_____0 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @04:43PM (#33363765)
It's a bit hyperbolic to compare the experience of a Reconstruction era sharecropper to the plight of a 21st century app developer.
Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by aasasd on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:14PM (#33364137)
Yes—the developer can simply move into a different line of business, that doesn't require having a mobile app.
Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by sneak on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:06PM (#33364045)
The situations have more in common than you might think. In both cases, you accept the non-negotiated deal offered to you unilaterally by your owners, or you accept zero revenue.
Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by Beltalowda on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:52PM (#33364530)
They're very different scenarios, because throughout history sharecroppers have almost always been "stuck" in their situation with no hope of relief, whereas app developers can realistically just go do something else.

When I lived in Asia as a white guy I was regularly the target of "racism": inflated prices (I was earning local salary), you're automatically "in the wrong" in any conflict even when you did nothing wrong, being a target of theft and government corruption, sometimes just general hostility. But it's not really the same "racism" in the same sense that, say, a black person in the US experiences it, as I can just choose to leave, whereas a black person in the US can't really. In spite of the similarities, in the end the experiences are not the same at all.

This makes all the difference. I'm not saying that what Google is doing is right, but it's just not the same thing at all.

Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by mixmastamyk on Thursday October 27, 2022 @11:27PM (#33367289)
Any of us might or might not have obligations that make other options infeasible.
Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by aliqot on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:45AM (#33367775)
> a black person in the US can't really

Bigotry of low expectations.

Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by etc-hosts on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:46PM (#33364481)
My dads family were sharecroppers in the south.

The system definitely was not confined to Reconstruction

Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by woodruffw on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:07PM (#33364061)
No, it's not "exactly what's happening."

At the best, it's a thought-provoking analogy. At the worse, it's a tasteless comparison between software engineering (overwhelmingly lucrative, mostly filled with otherwise well-off people) and a legal loophole for slavery.

Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by mixmastamyk on Thursday October 27, 2022 @11:20PM (#33367249)
SC is not slavery, and why it is a different word.
Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by woodruffw on Thursday October 27, 2022 @11:55PM (#33367500)
Sure, it’s just the thing you do where you take all of the former slaves, keep them working on the same land, and pay them a pittance so they can’t leave. Hum.
Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by mixmastamyk on Friday October 28, 2022 @11:54AM (#33373061)
That’s one fraction of the definition. You might consider other perspectives.
Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by woodruffw on Friday October 28, 2022 @08:06PM (#33379593)
What substantively different or alternative facet of the definition of "sharecropping" should I consider?
Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by mixmastamyk on Saturday October 29, 2022 @12:23PM (#33385493)
Countries and even states not your own. Not to mention the successor to the underground railroad was a thing, people can move when sufficiently motivated.
Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by mixmastamyk on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:00PM (#33373170)
One thing I hate about HN is that you can’t state inconvenient truths. Flagged, gimme a break.
Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by fshbbdssbbgdd on Thursday October 27, 2022 @04:50PM (#33363850)
Do you think their attempts to make a living would be less stressful if they started releasing only on f-droid?
Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by sneak on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:02PM (#33363997)
They could release on their own website. The Google store is not the only game in town - unlike on iOS.
Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by warent on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:41PM (#33364413)
I've owned an android for years and have never once installed an app outside the google play store. There's no way this is a viable business option
Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by nine_k on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:20PM (#33364205)
What you lose then is the auto-update. You can of course make the app nag about installing a new version when available, but it works much, much worse.
Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by lern_too_spel on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:55PM (#33364564)
The app can auto-update itself without nagging.
Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by eropple on Thursday October 27, 2022 @05:57PM (#33364591)
By being granted very broad security permissions that an application shouldn't need on a phone, yes.
Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by counttheforks on Thursday October 27, 2022 @07:13PM (#33365294)
Clearly the application does need it, else it wouldn't need the permissions to auto update itself.
Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by lern_too_spel on Thursday October 27, 2022 @08:07PM (#33365787)
https://developer.android.com/reference/android/Manifest.per... doesn't seem overly broad to me. How would you make it more specific?
Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by dipsyduck on Thursday October 27, 2022 @04:49PM (#33363840)
I'm wondering if the & sign is causing the issue. Perhaps the AI reviewers can't parse it well?
Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by greysphere on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:05AM (#33367568)
Yeah I wondered that or the bullet character too. The thing is we referenced other apps that used this exact formatting. But yeah, could just be a bug that was introduced at the beginning of the year that hopefully they can figure out and fix.
Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by bjano on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:21AM (#33367644)
I've been having the same issue with an app. Random rejections with a single line copy-pasted from the (genuine) feature list in the app description. In this case the lines just start with a regular dash ("-").

This together with the sometimes 10+ day review times make it impossible to maintain an app on the Play Store now.

Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by rvba on Thursday October 27, 2022 @06:04PM (#33364656)
I find it incredible that Google's sharedholders did not do anything about the company just plain losing money "here and there" which probably adds up to billions.

Just because someone wants to get promoted by making another half baked pseudo-AI to check apps, or someone making the 6th chat program (sorry, all people quit already after the 3rd change).

Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by _pastel on Thursday October 27, 2022 @08:52PM (#33366120)
Thanks for all your work!

If you don't mind some off-topic feedback on the Dominion website - have you considered making the Tables screen default to "New" only? At busy times, that screen consistently lags for several seconds while displaying hundreds (thousands?) of running and finished games. It's always a pain to wait for it before de-selecting "Running" and "Post-Game".

Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by greysphere on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:00AM (#33367533)
The website is a different group, but I'm a fan of their work too! Their forum is: http://forum.shuffleit.nl/
Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by mcv on Friday October 28, 2022 @01:43PM (#33374673)
Let me know if that doesn't work. I used to work for them (only to make the release deadline). I can contact the creator directly if necessary. But the forum is probably the better route to take.
Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by Animats on Friday October 28, 2022 @01:04AM (#33367869)
"Pushbullet connects your devices, making them feel like one." It's a "sync" program. Pushbullet talks to a lot of things and manipulates a lot of the user's data. So it's inherently a security risk.

Google also has a "sync" program, which syncs things within the Google ecosystem. Google doesn't want others encroaching on their domain. Nor do they want easy import and export from their ecosystem. Although, unlike Apple, they don't come right out and say that.

"If we only published the guilty than no one would be afraid" - attributed to Lavrentiy Beria.

Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by Animats on Friday October 28, 2022 @02:48PM (#33375731)
("punished", not "published"). My bad.
Re:We became the foremost expert on Google Play Store policy... by BiteCode_dev on Friday October 28, 2022 @04:56AM (#33369159)
I'm starting to think the reviewers have a quota of rejection to fill up and they reject apps randomly over some arbitrary concerns to meet it. Or maybe just to show they are doing they job. Or worse, the app store off shore validations, so the sub contractors script it to reject random stuff to pretend they have humans behind it.