Building Software to Last Forever

Re:Building Software to Last Forever by blueflow on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @04:33AM (#33341184)

Why not? He was born there. What else would make him South African?

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Re:Building Software to Last Forever by TheCapeGreek on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @05:36AM (#33341503)

While he'd definitely make a list of influential South Africans, he has not been part of the culture for a long time, let alone the local tech scene. He's known to not be the biggest fan of his origins.

https://www.thesouthafrican.com/lifestyle/why-did-elon-musk-...

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Re:Building Software to Last Forever by blueflow on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @06:34AM (#33341855)

Would you be greek by the same standards?

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Re:Building Software to Last Forever by stonogo on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @06:57AM (#33342000)

Fleeing your birth country to avoid national service, applying for citizenship in your new host country, and then never returning to your country of origin is a pretty strong signal. Naturalizing in yet another country is a fairly decent emphasis. Not sure what you're looking for. There is more to citizenship than holding passport you haven't used in thirty years.

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Re:Building Software to Last Forever by dagw on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @07:39AM (#33342235)

There is more to citizenship than holding passport you haven't used in thirty years.

Unless you're the IRS.

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Re:Building Software to Last Forever by blueflow on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @07:31AM (#33342191)

> There is more to citizenship than holding passport you haven't used in thirty years.

Apply that line of thinking the other way around ("There is more to US citizenship than holding a passport"). Its horrible by implication.

I'd prefer if nationality was being seen as bureaucratic artifact and not having more meanings attributed to it.

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Re:Building Software to Last Forever by Chris2048 on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @08:51AM (#33342874)

We'd all prefer a world without war too, but if nationality was just a bureaucratic artefact, who'd be left to defend Ukraine?

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Re:Building Software to Last Forever by blueflow on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @03:26PM (#33348174)

Is your country worth fighting and dying for? I doubt it. Neither is Ukraine nor Russia.

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Re:Building Software to Last Forever by Chris2048 on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @03:46PM (#33348427)

Depends for who it's "worth". Was fighting the Nazis not worth it either?

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Re:Building Software to Last Forever by blueflow on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @04:57PM (#33349333)

Dunno but Ukraine isn't.

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Re:Building Software to Last Forever by eastbound on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @07:50AM (#33342325)

When your scientists have to flee to become successful, is a pretty good sign it’s not going well.

Examples involve Marie Curie who fled to France, but is always considered Polish. Poland didn’t give her a chance to be recognized.

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Re:Building Software to Last Forever by andsoitis on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @09:23AM (#33343289)

According to Wikipedia, he has South African, Canadian, and American citizenship.

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Re:Building Software to Last Forever by BirAdam on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @10:17PM (#33352229)

Well, not living there, having other citizenships, and generally putting most of his eggs in the American basket would do it.

Generally speaking, I would also note that outside of the Americas jus soli isn’t the norm. In South Africa, jus soli is restricted to partial sanguinis laws where the parents of the individual concerned must be South African citizens or permanent residents.

Further, Elon has openly stated the aim to make humans multi-planet, holds multiple citizenships, and views government as a territorial monopoly on the initiation of violence. Based on these three things, I’d say he has little allegiance to any given country, and that he’s more of a nerd who just wants to do stuff without worrying about anything else.

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