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Re:What “Work” Looks Like by lqet on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @05:22AM (#33328180)
The three fundamental ideas of my PhD came to while:

1.) Sitting in a park sketching solutions on a notebook.

2.) Laying at the beach on vacation.

3.) Playing Legos with my daughter.

Without these ideas, I doubt there would've even been a PhD.

(There was a period of 2 years in my life where I did not have any significant ideas, at all. During that time, I was employed at a company which offered a constant stream of urgent TODO emails and tickets. I worked until exhaustion for 2 years, but did not get any work done.)

Re:What “Work” Looks Like by jayde2767 on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @05:36AM (#33328286)
I know the castration of ideas in the "Everything-is-an-Emergency" company culture. If you're not careful, it will condition you to delay work because the next "emergency" and shift in priority is imminent.
Re:What “Work” Looks Like by lqet on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @05:37AM (#33328293)
This is exactly how my working days looked like in the last 12 months before I quit. Sitting in front of the screen waiting for the next emergency ticket. Why even bother to start some deep work? It will be interrupted, possibly for days, in the next few hours anyhow.
Re:What “Work” Looks Like by qikInNdOutReply on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @09:46AM (#33330381)
Creativity and experimentation are not needed for survival, so stress hormons flow and the nice things are postponed.
Re:What “Work” Looks Like by walthamstow on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @07:28AM (#33329083)
This is also happening in government, IMO.

Govts get caught up in the latest emergency in the social/media and completely forget about innovation and long term planning. It's particularly acute in the UK at the moment.

Re:What “Work” Looks Like by hinkley on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @10:32AM (#33330964)
I kept my sanity at one place by working on refactoring every moment there wasn’t an emergency. I was trying to make all the changes easier. But that was after having tried several other solutions, including the dreaded Infinite Configurability, which has to be the absolutely best way to punish most of the team for how clever two or three of them are.

I’m working at a place like that now and it’s been an eye roller. After ten years on the project one of the problem people has finally seen this as a problem (though I haven’t heard him admit that he contributes). He’s looking at code now written by two people who have been copying his code style for years, and suddenly feeling the pain of it. It’s great he’s growing, but he’s over forty and should have learned this years ago. I blame a mix of things including staying at one place for far too long.

And I keep telling him this code used to be worse, but I’ve been chipping away at it for some time.

Re:What “Work” Looks Like by uglygoblin on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @12:05PM (#33332444)
I empathize deeply with you. I have been dealing with a system of "infinite configurability" for the last couple years and it's playing out the same way. The best I've been able to do is slowly codify the most problematic corners and put guard rails as many places as possible.

Sometimes I want to put my hands up in defeat and leave but there is also a satisfaction and growth from simplifying the Rube Goldberg machine.

It still sucks though.

Re:What “Work” Looks Like by hinkley on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @02:58PM (#33334739)
"Code coverage" and code that does everything and thus nothing are a potent cocktail as well. You can have 90% 'coverage' on a file and still only be covering 5% of the actual code paths (that's unfortunately not hyperbole, but a real number from a real analysis I did. When the numbers disagree that much, people tend to ignore the terrifying one)
Re:What “Work” Looks Like by hinkley on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @02:54PM (#33334674)
> But that was after having tried several other solutions,

I should clarify that I didn't mean concurrent or consecutive here, but across several different projects. Different preconditions can sink a strategy. It's hard to get any signal when you apply multiple unsuccessful strategies to the same 'experiment'.

Re:What “Work” Looks Like by shakadak on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @10:11AM (#33343966)
Hi, do you have some resources I could check out to understand the concept of what infinite configurability is, and how to recognize it ?
Re:What “Work” Looks Like by dvergeylen on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @11:30AM (#33345235)
Slightly off-topic, but as a father of two (toddlers), I can relate to this. I have plenty of ideas but if I have (say) 15min available, my brain won't even start because it "knows" the next emergency / interrupt will probably occur within that time period. A bit sad I confess...
Re:What “Work” Looks Like by mr_gibbins on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @09:29AM (#33330204)
Snap. Whenever I sat down to cast about for ideas on how to develop the initial form of my PhD, nada, zip. Deliberate concentration on one thing was a shortcut to procrastination.

The 'big idea' came when I was on campus, standing outside smoking. Hit me like a bombshell. I literally ran to see my supervisor, blurted out IT'S JUST A F**G MOLECULE, cleared off his whiteboard and spent the next hour sketching out what turned out to be another 5 years of work.

Those eureka moments are where true creativity turns up, I find it impossible to solve problems through dedicated, stare-at-the-screen thought, but I'll get a brainwave at e.g. the gym and nearly drop the weights on my head.

Companies need to promote creative problem-solving spaces, and I'm not talking about a beanbag area with free lattes, but a sit-and-think, light, non-social way of working that promotes this kind of thing. No idea how this could be done in practice, though.

Re:What “Work” Looks Like by cma on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @09:41AM (#33330332)
The question is would you be able to still get those spontaneous ideas at a background level without also the staring at the screen and deliberate work?
Re:What “Work” Looks Like by lqet on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @09:54AM (#33330484)
I also vividly remember the moment I had idea 1 from my list above. It was such a nice warm autumn day in the last months of a very turbulent year: I struggled finding something worth doing a PhD on, and in the 10 weeks before, I got married, my wife got pregnant, was rushed into emergency for a suspected ectopic pregnancy a few days later, which then suddenly turned out to be a completely normal pregnancy. I also had an upcoming conference talk a week later, for which I was completely unprepared. Suddenly the idea was there, and it was like a door to a wide avenue opened, with follow-up ideas left and right all along the way. It turned out quite beautiful in the end, and when we published 6 months later, one of the reviewers found the idea "elegant", which was by far the most positive thing I ever read in a paper review.
Re:What “Work” Looks Like by samstave on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @02:00PM (#33334058)
What was the idea/paper/phd about???!
Re:What “Work” Looks Like by tpoacher on Saturday October 29, 2022 @04:25AM (#33382120)
Yeah man, don't leave us hanging!
Re:What “Work” Looks Like by dylan604 on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @02:46PM (#33334602)
>Companies need to promote creative problem-solving spaces,

Unfortunately, there are people that do not understand how this concept works. These are the same employees that stare at screens trying to for a square peg into a round hole, but then see other employees trying it the other way and complain about how so many people are doing nothing when so much is to be done.

These complaints tend to percolate up, and these creative problem solving spaces end up getting removed to be replaced by more work space for the additional head count to solve all of the work to be done

Re:What “Work” Looks Like by spidersouris on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @03:33PM (#33335103)
> Companies need to promote creative problem-solving spaces, and I'm not talking about a beanbag area with free lattes, but a sit-and-think, light, non-social way of working that promotes this kind of thing.

Would that really solve the problem? I feel like when you're standing in front of your computer screen searching for a solution, it's because you're switching to some different and unplanned activity that you are able to get an eureka! moment. Creating a specific place where employees can go to think would defeat the whole purpose IMHO, because then people would go there and would do the exact same thing as when they're in front of their computer screen.

What may work is promoting short breaks during which employees can do any activity of their liking, whether it be playing video games, walking, smoking a cigarette... Basically anything that takes their mind off work. That guarantees development in creativity.

Re:What “Work” Looks Like by sarcoplasmic on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @07:09PM (#33429035)
This is similar to that ai researcher, Kenneth Stanely, and his talk/book about how planning and having an objective sabotages reaching it. "Greatness cannot be planned" I think was the title.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXQPL9GooyI

Re:What “Work” Looks Like by Fnoord on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @09:47AM (#33330384)
Yes, this is undervalued. It is called the diffuse mode of thinking (as opposed to the focused mode). Walk around in the park during lunch break is work, too.
Re:What “Work” Looks Like by psychomugs on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @04:03PM (#33335434)
I got an Apple Watch in the endgame of my PhD to catch all the thoughts I'd have out and about, particularly on runs. I rarely reviewed them and a lot was adrenaline-induced ranting and raving, but the act of documenting helped cement them better and drastically cut out the anxiety of potentially forgetting something really good.

David Lynch analogizes his sitting-with-cigarettes-and-a-notepad-to-catch-ideas to fishing. You can't chase after them but once in a while a big one will come along.

Re:What “Work” Looks Like by marmot777 on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @07:57PM (#33351264)
Many top novelists, scientists, engineers, etc., have come up with ideas doing something other than work. We’ve all had ideas at odd times and contexts. Sometimes good and occasionally outstanding ideas or solutions.