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Re:My next Mac might be the last by jdlyga on Monday October 24, 2022 @04:12PM (#33321960)
I couldn't even suggest a good alternative:

Windows: Windows 11 is a mixed bag with some better design and some worse. Currently, it's a bit of a step backwards. Windows 10 is pretty ok though.

Ubuntu: I wouldn't say Ubuntu is in a better place now with Gnome than it was 5 years ago. It works well, but it doesn't have the cool factor that Unity did and is missing a lot of its features. Ubuntu Unity exists, but it's a little buggy and not as polished as back in the 16.04 days. You could always go KDE Plasma (or MATE if you're old school).

There's the rabbit hole of other Linux distributions, my favorite alternative being Arch. But depends on your tolerance for tweaking.

Re:My next Mac might be the last by hot_gril on Monday October 24, 2022 @04:36PM (#33322370)
I'm a SWE, I've been a DBA and a sysadmin, and I've been using Linux on servers for a long time, but on the desktop I'm just a user who doesn't care to understand the inner workings of the stuff that's supposed to just work for me. This KDE, GNOME, XFCE, X vs Wayland, Unity, whatever GUI stuff is way too confusing, not worth my time. And just sticking to the default in Ubuntu doesn't help much when even that keeps changing a ton, which is unbelievable. Why?
Re:My next Mac might be the last by klodolph on Monday October 24, 2022 @11:32PM (#33325856)
I feel like I’ve got conflicting desires here. On one hand, I just want everything to work, and everything to stay the same, just like what you describe. On the other hand, there are a dozen or two dozen packages which I want always up to date. Most of them are development tools. Any distro which is good at one is bad at the other.
Re:My next Mac might be the last by hot_gril on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @01:50AM (#33326718)
I'd expect that the most stable distro could run the latest versions of those tools too. Do the tools depend on the latest desktop environment or something?
Re:My next Mac might be the last by klodolph on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @09:16AM (#33330051)
The stable distro can run those tools, but how do I keep them up to date? I could mix a stable Debian base with specific tools from unstable, but my experience is that this sometimes results in problems.
Re:My next Mac might be the last by hot_gril on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @01:10PM (#33333374)
Docker I guess
Re:My next Mac might be the last by tapoxi on Monday October 24, 2022 @04:28PM (#33322249)
Fedora deserves a mention as a solid desktop alternative to Ubuntu. It ships very up-to-date packages but doesn't require as much tweaking as, say, Arch. The default 'spin' is GNOME but they provide excellent support for Plasma, Cinnamon, etc.

I also think dnf is a more powerful and easier package manager than apt.

Re:My next Mac might be the last by never_inline on Monday October 24, 2022 @11:39PM (#33325902)
> I also think dnf is a more powerful and easier package manager than apt.

To anyone reading this - dnf is much slower than apt, on the flip side.

Re:My next Mac might be the last by RealStickman_ on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @03:45AM (#33327414)
It also does slightly more stuff than apt (maybe unnecessarily)
Re:My next Mac might be the last by petepete on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @08:03AM (#33329372)
dnf is annoyingly slow but it's greatly improved via DNF Automatic. I just let it keep itself in sync and apply security updates automatically.

https://dnf.readthedocs.io/en/latest/automatic.html

Re:My next Mac might be the last by nateb2022 on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @12:51AM (#33339964)
This. Fedora is rapidly turning into what Ubuntu should have been, and is retaking its spot that Ubuntu took shortly after it came around. Ubuntu is turning into a legacy desktop, centered around tailoring Gnome to a Unity-esque desktop every release rather than embracing progress.

When Ubuntu 22.04 was released, I switched to Fedora for good. They get a GNOME distro right.

Re:My next Mac might be the last by wvenable on Monday October 24, 2022 @04:20PM (#33322108)
I was going to say something similar. The same sort of complaints this author has about Mac OS could be made about Windows 11. Linux desktop environments are worse because they go through the same cycle of changes in half the time.

What we really want is design stability. We do want improvements but we don't want wholesale conceptual changes in our desktop environments every few years.

Re:My next Mac might be the last by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Monday October 24, 2022 @04:23PM (#33322162)
I switched from Windows to Fedora Linux on all of my machines about 2+ years ago and it's been great! I will never go back. I do keep a totally empty Windows install for one game that I can't play though (Escape from Tarkov).
Re:My next Mac might be the last by rg111 on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @01:50AM (#33326717)
I switched from Windows to Linux back in 2018, and yes, I have never looked back.

Although tech savvy, I opted for Linux Mint because it was the most reliable distro out there that required minimal babysitting.

Then I switched to Pop OS for OOTB NVIDIA GPU support, and it has been working seamlessly.

I might get a Mac in the future. But Windows is out of consideration.

Linux experience is seamless for me (apart from some fan issues).

Re:My next Mac might be the last by zekrioca on Monday October 24, 2022 @04:18PM (#33322071)
You forgot to mention Ubuntu’s worse part which is snap :)
Re:My next Mac might be the last by e-brake on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @04:10AM (#33327602)
Absolutely. Although Ubuntu is popular, I find openSUSE Tumbleweed to be a better Linux distro, with flatpaks, hot updates, btrfs snapshots.
Re:My next Mac might be the last by 72deluxe on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @05:21AM (#33328174)
How does snap compare to flatpak etc.?

I use opensnitch and eventually found the appropriate blocking rule for every time a snap is launched or appimage from some random mount path for the process.

Not sure what's wrong with using the established package management system instead of reinventing the wheel to distribute an app on your own binary system that you control - why?!?!

Re:My next Mac might be the last by yagya on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @01:27AM (#33340144)
The goal is to be distro-agnostic, but I find that Flatpak and Snap both add more bloat than is worth it. Either just use distro packages, or, if you really want cross-platform, get an AppImage and be done with it.
Re:My next Mac might be the last by psychstudio on Monday October 24, 2022 @04:21PM (#33322126)
Honestly, Xubuntu and then forget about it for the next decade. I get it, xfce doesn't have the "cool" factor but it just works and keeps on doing so.
Re:My next Mac might be the last by didibus on Monday October 24, 2022 @04:15PM (#33322004)
I think KDE Plasma is great, highly recommend it.
Re:My next Mac might be the last by tmtvl on Monday October 24, 2022 @04:40PM (#33322417)
I like KDE, not the biggest fan of Kwin, but I've replaced it with awesome and it's a really nice experience.
Re:My next Mac might be the last by INeedMoreRam on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @02:52AM (#33327092)
I’ve been very happy with Kubuntu KDE Plasma.

Rock solid. Fast.

Re:My next Mac might be the last by dleslie on Monday October 24, 2022 @04:20PM (#33322116)
Debian + MATE/Plasma is a great option, IMHO; great hardware support, no snap, and a fabulous desktop experience.
Re:My next Mac might be the last by acomjean on Monday October 24, 2022 @04:42PM (#33322438)
I moved from mac to linux at work. Its been fine.

Pop!_OS. Its Ubuntu at its core, but somehow is better.

It took me a bit to get over not having MS Office, but honestly as a development box, it works much better.

Re:My next Mac might be the last by alluro2 on Monday October 24, 2022 @04:46PM (#33322488)
I got tired of Mac, weird and forced UI choices, inflexibility, so much RAM use, and feeling like it slowed down 50% over a course of 2-3 years despite having a fixed set of software on it

Tried Windows 11, and despite really wanting to like it, it left an impression of utterly unbelievable level of unpolished and unfinished mess, with basic features missing (primarily taskbar related) and still, after all these years, just being a skin over ever-present (and still there) Win95-era dialogs. I understand Windows 8 keeping the old Control Panel and having a weird and weak replacement with a new skin for it in parallel, but come on, we've had Win 10 for years and Win 11 still hasn't moved a bit from that same crap?

Switched to Manjaro (Arch-based distro), and KDE Plasma, spent a couple of days tinkering and customizing and have never been happier with my quick, light, rock-solid, completely customizable and fancy environment, that served me impeccably for 1.5 years until I was too tempted with MBP 14. It is a great device hardware-wise, but Mac OS has been a definite leap back, and I would pay hundreds of dollars to be able to put my Linux on MBP with everything working.

Re:My next Mac might be the last by badpun on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @05:57PM (#33336691)
> a skin over ever-present (and still there) Win95-era dialogs

I think most of that stuff is from Win7, not Win95.

Re:My next Mac might be the last by yagya on Wednesday October 26, 2022 @01:26AM (#33340135)
> I would pay hundreds of dollars to be able to put my Linux on MBP with everything working.

If you want to pay for Linux on Mac, the Asahi project could always use some support: https://asahilinux.org/support/

Re:My next Mac might be the last by antifa on Monday October 24, 2022 @06:53PM (#33323707)
I think garuda-mate is a good arch variant for this purpose.
Re:My next Mac might be the last by GoOnThenDoTell on Monday October 24, 2022 @11:48PM (#33325963)
KDE fedora is a great situation these days