That places better than SF exist and people are moving to them.

Why is everything “better” or “worse”. City vs. City.

This is such a lame argument and only feeds whoever is seeking validation that they live in right place

It's personal preference but (to pick an example) many other large cities in the US have both lower crime and lower cost of living. For some folks those attributes weigh heavily in the mix of things they think make a city "good". Other people have other preferences.

I live in SF, but I absolutely understand why many people think other places are better for them.

I think your take is more outrageous: that things aren’t better or worse than other things?

Flint Michigan is really really bad. Their water is poisonous.

Similarly, crime is a thing that hurts ppl, in this case theft in SF.

How are we gonna sit around and pretend that some cities are not better than others?

Between myself and ~20 people I know well I have never heard of anyone having their car broken into, nor any packages stolen.

This is a medium size Canadian city. I leave my packages outside overnight without issue.

I do the same in Las Vegas, "sin city" moniker and all. I lived in Boston, NYC, LA, Montreal, and Spokane. I had two bikes stolen while I was working at the county public defender's and my girlfriend called the police, filed out a report, and nothing ever came down the line on the other side. The officer tried to talk her out of filing the report. Since I've worked in other jurisdictions and have heard broadly about how few fucks are given about property crimes generally, we don't even know how high or low this figure is in comparison to other cities with different policies. It could very well be true that people are experiencing recency bias, triggered by a question that touches upon something that wasn't taken seriously to begin with.

Also, I live in Las Vegas now and I also don't know anyone who had their car broken into or packages stolen. I left my Steam Deck outside for 48 hours since it was delivered early and hidden poorly, but I wasn't looking and didn't even notice it. But since none of the polls - the Chronicle or the Standard's - mention vehicle prowling, we have even less data on that. Why even bring it up? Nobody was expecting Rumble in the Bronx (great movie in spite of the whole movie being made up of stereotypes).

I agree to a point. You can't say LA is better than NYC. You can't say London is better than Tokyo. It all depends.

But sometimes this is like comparing a little league team to an MLB team: Like you can say NYC is better than SF.

For every axis that SF is better on NYC is 10x better on 10 others. Like you could argue the foggy weather is better because there's no snow... but then: food, transportation, global importance, crime (even when you account for violent crime specifically), long-term prospects.

SF can't even keep a Target open past 8.

At the start of the year I moved to SF from NYC, so I'm not validating anything by the way.

What argument? You seem to be the only one here looking to pick some pointless fight.

Just check states/cities where bay area residents are fleeing to, places like austin, dallas, raleigh, NoVa, Seattle, Denver, Miami, etc etc

>places like austin

Not a lot of difference.

https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/tx/austin/crime

https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/san-francisco/crime

I think the poster is implying that they don’t find San Francisco to be a particularly desirable place to live compared to other places.

I used to go for walks around my SF apartment in the Tenderloin. To keep myself entertained, I'd count the number of poops I saw on the sidewalk.

I live in Bernal Heights. Maybe that's why I haven't seen a human poop on the sidewalk in.... well never, anywhere near me. Probably seen it twice in 20 some years living here, and not anywhere close to here.

Were you aware that the Tenderloin is, ya know, what it is, before you got an apartment there? It's been well known as the seediest part of the city for a century or more.

I knew, yes. I was on a budget at the time. $1550 for a studio with no kitchen was the cheapest thing I could find on short notice that wasn’t too weird. It was a great location, and the was pretty cool, just a little shitty (pun intended).

That’s a fun game!

Most cities don't have or need a shit tracker app. Just sayin it's progressive.

I’ll be sure to develop a Cartel app for Miami, a Kidnapping app for the state of Texas, and a Homeless app for Denver so you have more content to post in the future

SF has a homeless population like 5x that of Denver even though the cities are of comparable sizes.

I'd guess Denver's lower rate of homelessness could have something to do with its average overnight temperatures.

I don’t know what is happening but Boulder has way more homeless than 20 years ago.

Yikes do you have apartments or office space for rent or something? LOL