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Re:Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv by Max-Ganz-II on Monday October 10, 2022 @06:28AM (#33149745)
That building, on the 6th floor, contains a gym with a two lane swimming pool. I visited when I moved to Kyiv, about two months ago, when I looking to find a pool. I can see the building from my apartment (I'm on the 15th floor). I heard the strikes, this morning, at about 9.30am, and saw the plume of smoke rising from the impact site. There were more strikes, about 30 minutes later, a lot further away, and out of sight, so I don't know where they were.
Re:Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv by keyle on Monday October 10, 2022 @07:18AM (#33150025)
Oh man that sounds dreadful. The casualties at this time would have been disastrous if they couldn't WFH... And all civilians :(
Re:Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv by javajosh on Monday October 10, 2022 @07:22AM (#33150038)
You moved to Kyiv 2 months ago?!
Re:Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv by exhilaration on Monday October 10, 2022 @07:26AM (#33150066)
I'm assuming he didn't move there from New York but another part of Ukraine. Kiev is relatively safe compared to parts closer to the front lines.
Re:Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv by jmillikin on Monday October 10, 2022 @07:28AM (#33150078)
He moved from England: https://www.amazonredshiftresearchproject.org/slblog/2022-07...

  > I have relocated to Kyiv, mainly because with what’s going
  > on I feel on an emotional level compelled to be here, to
  > stand against the horrors.
  > [...]
  > The route was Cambridge -> London -> Bruxelles
  >   -> Köln -> Berlin -> Przemyśl (Polish border town)
  >   -> Kyiv.
Re:Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv by theow7384iri on Monday October 10, 2022 @07:46AM (#33150181)
I was in Odessa for holiday in July. Very cheap airbnb, but there was night lockdown and pubs were closing early. Also beaches were closed (mines) but nobody cared.
Re:Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv by chinathrow on Monday October 10, 2022 @08:06AM (#33150302)
What was the reason to select Odessa at this time?
Re:Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv by theow7384iri on Monday October 10, 2022 @08:22AM (#33150438)
Sun and sea :) And also price. Greece, Croatia, Turkey etc were bloody expensive this summer. Odessa is just 3 hours by bus from Chisinau that has regular flights.
Re:Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv by prvit on Monday October 10, 2022 @07:49PM (#33157757)
Odessa is normally home to a great club scene too. The "Ibiza" club is easily one of the best in the world, regularly attracts top DJs like Black Coffee.

The food scene isn't incredible, but pretty good for Eastern Europe. Dacha restaurant is excellent. The city itself is beautiful with heavy French vibes, and of course from an European point of view it's filled with very conventionally attractive people.

Re:Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv by Max-Ganz-II on Monday October 10, 2022 @09:32AM (#33151154)
I lived in Gibraltar for a year, then went to Kyiv via England (catching up with friends and family before heading over).
Re:Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv by tut-urut-utut on Monday October 10, 2022 @07:30AM (#33150089)
Why not? Kiev was a safe place to live until the current escalation. For example, much safer than the city of Donetsk and other cities close to the front line which are under fire almost daily since the beginning of the operation, many of them since at least 8 years, though not at such intensity.
Re:Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv by KptMarchewa on Monday October 10, 2022 @07:59AM (#33150268)
There was no point in shelling Kyiv before, while russia manufactured false flag attacks on Donetsk for a long long time.
Re:Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv by tut-urut-utut on Monday October 10, 2022 @08:35AM (#33150540)
Of course, all suffering in Donbass is a Russian false flag. Do you really think they have been killing their own people for years, destroying their own pipelines and bridges, only to use it as an excuse to bomb infrastructure in the Ukraine?

By that logic, I assume Russia will soon drop a nuclear bomb in Sankt Petersburg in order to have an excuse to continue their operation in the Ukraine. And if they are not done in a month or so, they'll have to destroy Moscow before they proceed.

Re:Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv by orbital-decay on Monday October 10, 2022 @08:45AM (#33150644)
"Their own people"?

(added later) For the context, I'm Russian. Right now, there's a refugee family from Mariupol (you know, that city in Donbass that got almost completely destroyed) living in one of my two flats. They lost all they had. They lived in a damp basement with nearly no food for a month and a half. They buried their neighbors personally, and also the school teacher of their kid. A marauder wannabe nearly shot them, and then his commander nearly did the same after they complained, for "lying about his soldiers". Their son lost a hand after a tank shell hit their home. If you're also in Russia, we can connect and you'll see them in person, to look the kid in the eye and tell him about the suffering of Donbass people.

Re:Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv by KptMarchewa on Monday October 10, 2022 @09:16AM (#33150965)
>Do you really think they have been killing their own people for years

Obviously yes. The whole Donbas war was started by FSB Colonel and bunch of irregular troops coming from russia. Russia's post-2014 strategy was to destroy Ukraine from inside, by prolonged conflict. This backfired, and Ukraine united instead of being divided, like before 2014 by russian agents like Medvedchuk or Yanukovych.

>destroying their own pipelines and bridges

Only relevant destruction of pipelines and bridges before 24.02 was done by retreating FSB led irregular russian troops in 2014.

Or are you talking about Ukraine attacking valid military targets as crimean bridge now? https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1554869316935471105

>only to use it as an excuse to bomb infrastructure in the Ukraine?

They mostly bomb civilian infrastructure and dwellings, not military one because their intelligence and precision missles sucks.

>By that logic, I assume Russia will soon drop a nuclear bomb in Sankt Petersburg in order to have an excuse to continue their operation in the Ukraine.

They will need to do stuff like this only if they continue to lose, not with nuclear or so. Russia and especially Putin is known for targeting it's own citizen to cause war frenzy - that's how he got elected and caused war, by bombing Moscow. Google "ryazan sugar".

Re:Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv by redeeman on Monday October 10, 2022 @09:32AM (#33151157)
maybe putin is adopting the Trudeau school of warfare: "if you kill your enemies, they win" :) :)
Re:Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv by leaveyou on Monday October 10, 2022 @09:41AM (#33151289)
>>Do you really think they have been killing their own people for years

It's not Russia killing their own people. It's Russia killing some unlucky pawns, whether in staged attacks or by forcibly "mobilizing" all the men they find there and sending them into the meat grinder.

To me Russia seems on a mission to capture as much territory from Ukraine they can and punish and destroy everything they can't capture. To cross the borders, Russia NEEDED a pretext and in order to justify their further destruction they continue to need these pretexts and I think they manufacture them - killing civilians in DNR and LNR. Ukraine does not need pretexts to defend itself nor to recover its legal territories. And yes, I think Putin personally is capable of nuclear false flag if that would enable him to achieve his objectives in Ukraine. He already sacrificed thousands of troops and billions in materials for some lame territorial gains he's not even able to hold. Putin would nuke 50k of his men if that would guarantee him Ukraine and remaining in power.

Re:Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv by homeland221 on Monday October 10, 2022 @11:46PM (#33159299)
Go look for Patrick Lancaster on Youtube since 5 years ago. And you will know you have been on the wrong side by saying false flag in Donetsk. American have been doing false flag even worst than what you imagined of Russian is doing since Teddy's time.
Re:Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv by KptMarchewa on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @08:06AM (#33175731)
What, next will you recommend me videos by Graham Philips? Why would I look at russian propaganda videos made by one of the fugitive pedophiles?
Re:Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv by Max-Ganz-II on Monday October 10, 2022 @09:31AM (#33151139)
Yes, to help (economically - I have no military training) with the war.
Re:Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv by techdragon on Monday October 10, 2022 @07:30AM (#33150085)
I know some people probably got injured or died but I just cannot help but wonder about two things. First, did the damage drain the pool. Second, if it did drain out what does a large pool draining out the 6th floor of a building look like? Does it end up leaking out from all sides? Does it just leak into the building in a way that isn’t visible from the outside? Does it cascade out, leaking entirely from one side via some unlikely but structurally possible crack that sprays it all in the direction of one side of the building where there happened to be a damaged window…

It’s by far the least important thing in the circumstances of this tragedy and my heart goes out to those affected by the important aspects of this strike. But I am simultaneously mesmerised by the how unlikely it is that you get a sudden and dramatic draining of a volume of water this big this high off the ground, I mean if you demolished a building you would drain the pool first, if you think the building might collapse you’ll drain the pool to remove extra load on the structure well before anything goes wrong… it’s just so unlikely that a full pool would be drained like this.

Re:Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv by cm2187 on Monday October 10, 2022 @07:40AM (#33150146)
I would assume it would primarily go through the elevator shafts and emergency staircases. But water has a way to go through random path. I live in a concrete building, a neighbour has a leak toward the center of the building, the water made its way through underneath the apartment floors and started pouring from the facade though I couldn’t see any opening.
Re:Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv by the_gipsy on Monday October 10, 2022 @09:14AM (#33150937)
this is really no the time, techdragon.
Re:Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv by ncmncm on Monday October 10, 2022 @08:45AM (#33150637)
Curious about what was where it actually hit. Seems pretty clear Samsung was not the target. Electrical substation "across the street" would be a probable target, but was missed.

I.e., did it hit a plausibly intended target, or miss?

Re:Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv by Max-Ganz-II on Monday October 10, 2022 @09:18AM (#33150998)
I've blogged, here, with my photos (as photos are now being published);

https://www.amazonredshiftresearchproject.org/slblog/2022-10...

To my eye, the missile struck the roof of the low building next to the Samsung tower. The buildings there, as far as I know from looking at them, are light commerical - restaurants, shops, etc.

Re:Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv by Suzuran on Monday October 10, 2022 @09:21AM (#33151019)
All of Ukraine is the intended target.
Re:Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv by tomatotomato37 on Monday October 10, 2022 @09:44AM (#33151317)
It's most certainly a miss. People have this weird perception due to all the modern propoganda with the tomahawk missile and such that military equipment is now 100% accurate and reliable. In reality these are still physical objects that are subject to mechanical failure/enemy action/entropy/whatever and the average failure rate is still such that you have to send a volley of 3 or 4 guided missiles downrange to absolutely guarantee a kill.
Re:Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv by JumpCrisscross on Monday October 10, 2022 @10:05AM (#33151565)
> this weird perception due to all the modern propoganda with the tomahawk missile and such that military equipment is now 100% accurate and reliable

The accuracy of Russian munitions has been demonstrably lower than NATO standard [1]. They’re also running low on good munitions, leading e.g. to land strikes by surface-to-air S-300s [2].

[1] https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/exclusive...

[2] https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/britain-says-russia-has...

Re:Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv by dragontamer on Monday October 10, 2022 @11:20AM (#33152503)
These attacks in Ukraine _were_ the good Russian missiles.

They're from a precious small stockpile of Russian precision weapons. And they wasted it on civilian targets.

S300 cannot strike Kyiv, not from where the the frontline has moved.

Re:Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv by dekhn on Monday October 10, 2022 @10:18AM (#33151725)
There was a whole article in the NY Times explaining how this is true for the Russians, but not the HIMARS being used by Ukraine.
Re:Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv by jddil on Monday October 10, 2022 @10:18AM (#33151733)
Miss? Russia is indiscriminately firing missiles into dense civilian areas for maximum terror.

They did not miss.

Re:Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv by ncmncm on Monday October 10, 2022 @01:43PM (#33154293)
There are always more specific targets in an area that cause more trouble destroyed than others. Blowing up a playground when nobody is there has to be counted as a miss when an electrical substation is nearby.
Re:Russians hit the office and R&D center of Samsung in Kyiv by rasz on Monday October 10, 2022 @11:15AM (#33152420)
officially they didnt miss anything

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-defence-ministr...

>Russian defence ministry said in its daily briefing:

>"The goal of the strike has been achieved. All designated targets were hit,"

ergo this childrens playground was the intended target https://mobile.twitter.com/ArmanSoldin/status/15793548449511... https://twitter.com/mjluxmoore/status/1579357969577545729