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Re:Study links omega-3s to improved brain structure, cogniti... by civilized on Thursday October 06, 2022 @11:14PM (#33117028)
My hobby: arguing the arrow of causation goes in the opposite direction as the study authors want to suggest. Allow me to demonstrate.

In this case, obviously, omega-3s are merely a sign of eating expensive fish, which is a sign of affluence, which is a sign of genetically driven higher mental acuity.

Re:Study links omega-3s to improved brain structure, cogniti... by pengaru on Thursday October 06, 2022 @11:27PM (#33117091)
> In this case, obviously, omega-3s are merely a sign of eating expensive fish, which is a sign of affluence, which is a sign of genetically driven higher mental acuity.

Except it's the cheaper low-brow canned fish like Sardines that contain more Omega-3s AFAIK.

Re:Study links omega-3s to improved brain structure, cogniti... by PaulHoule on Thursday October 06, 2022 @11:43PM (#33117185)
Salmon is expensive and has more omega-3 than some other fish but they make the fish oil pills by grinding up

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menhaden

which people can't stand to eat.

Re:Study links omega-3s to improved brain structure, cogniti... by hericium on Friday October 07, 2022 @12:19AM (#33117396)
S.M.A.S.H. (sardines, mackerel, anchovies, salmon, herring) are rich in Omegas 3 and naturally have low levels of toxins and mercury.
Re:Study links omega-3s to improved brain structure, cogniti... by dQw4w9WgXcQ on Friday October 07, 2022 @12:31AM (#33117463)
I wanna say I'm gonna be able to remember that acronym at the next social event but its going to be more fun getting everyone to fill in the blanks.
Re:Study links omega-3s to improved brain structure, cogniti... by mythrwy on Thursday October 06, 2022 @11:32PM (#33117117)
Arguably, eating fish is only a sign of affluence in areas where fish is not plentiful and cheap.

But I like your hobby!

Re:Study links omega-3s to improved brain structure, cogniti... by PaulHoule on Thursday October 06, 2022 @11:51PM (#33117226)
I was just talking to my wife about it. Her opinion is that fish in the US is more expensive than chicken and more comparable to beef in that cheap fish is similar in price to cheap beef and expensive fish like expensive beef.
Re:Study links omega-3s to improved brain structure, cogniti... by adrian_b on Friday October 07, 2022 @03:48AM (#33118479)
When comparing fish with the meat of terrestrial vertebrates it must always be taken into account that the water content of raw fish meat is much higher, so one pound of raw fish does not have the same nutritional value as one pound of raw chicken meat or beef meat.

If the fish is bought frozen, even more of the paid weight is water, so the water content would have to be accounted when comparing prices.

Fish may be much more expensive than it seems when just looking at the price tag, even 50% more expensive per protein content (raw poultry meat has about 25% protein content, while raw fish fillet has between 15% and 20% protein content).

Re:Study links omega-3s to improved brain structure, cogniti... by makeitdouble on Friday October 07, 2022 @12:06AM (#33117304)
I wonder if fish is that cheap even in area where fishing is a big industry. Compared to meat, growing and processing fish looks more finicky and expensive, and in particular fresh fish with vitamins and nutriments still intact looks to be pretty big logistics challenge driving prices up.

For instance in Japan fish isn't cheap by any measure compared to chicken or pork for instance.

Re:Study links omega-3s to improved brain structure, cogniti... by inglor_cz on Friday October 07, 2022 @02:11AM (#33117978)
I just visited Riga, Latvia, and fish seemed to be fairly affordable there.
Re:Study links omega-3s to improved brain structure, cogniti... by tiku on Friday October 07, 2022 @12:00AM (#33117266)
I thought of the same thing. Eating fish often says you have a well balanced diet.
Re:Study links omega-3s to improved brain structure, cogniti... by barbarbar on Friday October 07, 2022 @12:02AM (#33117284)
There is also the option for "fish oil" on a bottle. I have recently tried that - but it is... not that delicious.
Re:Study links omega-3s to improved brain structure, cogniti... by luqtas on Friday October 07, 2022 @12:09AM (#33117318)
it hurts to read, but how about the ethical if you care… AND the poor-human way? flaxseeds and chia are cheap for what they provide! and dirt cheap if you have time & possibility to buy directly from a farmer
Re:Study links omega-3s to improved brain structure, cogniti... by nordsieck on Friday October 07, 2022 @12:12AM (#33117342)
> flaxseeds and chia are cheap for what they provide!

My understanding is that the Omega-3 from these is not particularly bio-avaiable compared to fish/krill oil.

Re:Study links omega-3s to improved brain structure, cogniti... by luqtas on Friday October 07, 2022 @12:22AM (#33117413)
yeah… so just eat more! less than 4 spoons should be enough.

and having only ALA and not EPA/DHA as source of omega-3 will slowly lead to your body be more efficient at transforming (ALA to EPA/DHA)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6835948/

https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/100/suppl_1/449S/45766...

and there is plenty of educative websites searching for “vegan” and omega-3 sources…

Re:Study links omega-3s to improved brain structure, cogniti... by ackfoobar on Friday October 07, 2022 @12:11AM (#33117335)
I read somewhere that those omega-3s from seeds are less effective than those in fish, as a conversion step is needed.
Re:Study links omega-3s to improved brain structure, cogniti... by luqtas on Friday October 07, 2022 @12:12AM (#33117341)
and please Luqtas, adopt any poor children at early age and let them eat books and consume any type of scientific podcast and feel how they build up!
Re:Study links omega-3s to improved brain structure, cogniti... by rgbrenner on Friday October 07, 2022 @12:10AM (#33117330)
Affluence is a sign of "genetically driven higher mental acuity"?

Source?

Re:Study links omega-3s to improved brain structure, cogniti... by bjoli on Friday October 07, 2022 @12:38AM (#33117505)
It might be a sign of better nutrition during childhood. Things like iron from 6 months and up have a pretty big effect on brain function later in life.
Re:Study links omega-3s to improved brain structure, cogniti... by nextlevelwizard on Friday October 07, 2022 @02:06AM (#33117947)
And if this was studied and proven to be true then all you contrarians would again reverse the arrow of causation saying that "no no no, it is not the iron supplements it is X".

Yes, of course we can not ethically proof that any one supplement has some precise effect, but instead of burying your head in the sand you can follow some general trends.

Re:Study links omega-3s to improved brain structure, cogniti... by civilized on Friday October 07, 2022 @05:03PM (#33126829)
> And if this was studied and proven to be true then all you contrarians would again reverse the arrow of causation saying that "no no no, it is not the iron supplements it is X".

The point here is that this study didn't prove anything - it's an observational study. The results are consistent with a range of possibilities, not just the ones the study authors were the most interested in promoting to the public. Academic guesses about causation are often wrong, and they're often biased towards what's interesting to academics and what raises the profile of their research. So it's important to highlight other possibilities, especially the "boring" ones that wouldn't get as much attention for the study authors.

There are high-quality studies that actually prove things. For example, we know the impact of lead on IQ because of direct interventions (children who have lead above a certain threshold undergo chelation therapy, so you can compare those right below to those right above).

Re:Study links omega-3s to improved brain structure, cogniti... by bee_rider on Friday October 07, 2022 @02:12AM (#33117984)
It is derived from a rectalinnear extrication of facta sunt data.
Re:Study links omega-3s to improved brain structure, cogniti... by civilized on Friday October 07, 2022 @08:05AM (#33120105)
Genetics is a major driver of intelligence, and more intelligent people tend to earn more money.

Here's a book that covers the basics of what we know about intelligence: https://www.amazon.com/Intelligence-That-Matters-Stuart-Ritc...

Re:Study links omega-3s to improved brain structure, cogniti... by jallen_dot_dev on Friday October 07, 2022 @12:21AM (#33117412)
Abstract says they adjusted for potential confounders. Presumably wealth was one of them, as that seems like an obvious thing to control for in any health study.
Re:Study links omega-3s to improved brain structure, cogniti... by civilized on Friday October 07, 2022 @08:07AM (#33120130)
Or maybe o3's lead to intelligence which leads to wealth, and controlling for wealth would underestimate the true effect of o3's.

I have no dog in this race :)

Re:Study links omega-3s to improved brain structure, cogniti... by nurettin on Friday October 07, 2022 @12:27AM (#33117443)
I have an obviously better explanation:

In this case, the correlation has to do with being health-conscious which leads to better health and is linked to ingesting o3. And the reason we argue causation is the simple fact that the mechanism behind the correlation is not explained in a clear chemical way.

Re:Study links omega-3s to improved brain structure, cogniti... by civilized on Friday October 07, 2022 @08:10AM (#33120145)
So health-conscious people consume more o3 because the health authorities tell them it's good, but what actually works is some other thing they do, probably just avoiding obesity and sedentary lifestyle?
Re:Study links omega-3s to improved brain structure, cogniti... by nurettin on Friday October 07, 2022 @08:37AM (#33120372)
Exactly, and other behavior like thinking twice before ingesting something probably helps more than whatever harm health authorities may (perhaps unwillingly) cause.
Re:Study links omega-3s to improved brain structure, cogniti... by weberer on Friday October 07, 2022 @03:21AM (#33118343)
Canned tuna is 50 cents a can. Sardines are a dollar a can.
Re:Study links omega-3s to improved brain structure, cogniti... by gubernation on Friday October 07, 2022 @03:45AM (#33118466)
Xkcd says "my hobby:" a lot. Do you by any chance read xkcd? I really like his humour, it's very scientific.