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Re:How criminals are using jammers, deauthers to disrupt WiF... by radicaldreamer on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @08:04PM (#33089014)
Sounds like PoE is the way to go. Another option might be to get a webcam that doesn't operate on wifi at all (maybe some other unregulated band which is tougher to block and more importantly, tougher to recognize)
Re:How criminals are using jammers, deauthers to disrupt WiF... by gregmac on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:13PM (#33089728)
PoE is definitely the way to go if you can.

Aside from immunity to radio signal jamming, there's no worrying about batteries/charging or ugly wall warts. You can also power your PoE switch from a UPS to survive power outages.

It's also vendor agnostic and fairly future proof. What I mean is while you might have lock-in with cameras/NVR today, you aren't locked in forever; worst case is you may be forced to replace everything but the wiring, but that's by far the hardest part to do in a finished house. The Cat5/6/7 will be useful for the foreseeable future.

Re:How criminals are using jammers, deauthers to disrupt WiF... by MarkMarine on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:59PM (#33090123)
I agree, but I’m having a fun time getting PoE switches that network security will sign off on at work, they are quite pricey. Just a note from the other side, wall wart is 5$ poe is like 40$ a port
Re:How criminals are using jammers, deauthers to disrupt WiF... by scheme271 on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @12:42AM (#33091335)
Using a regular switch and using a POE injector just before the run to the camera is an option. It's about $15 to get the injector. It's not as elegant as a POE switch though.
Re:How criminals are using jammers, deauthers to disrupt WiF... by saltspork on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @04:51AM (#33092938)
Multi-port PoE injectors are a nice option to add say 3-8 PoE ports to an existing switch.

More flexible in some ways, I’m using 1 port of my 8-way injector to add PoE to the WAN interface of my router. In conjunction with an active PoE “splitter” on the far end I can remotely power the GPON modem on the other side of the house and power everything from one UPS.

I also made sure to get a Mode A “gigabit” injector in order to power 2x PoE cameras in a location with a single Cat6 drop. On the far end there’s just a passive splitter, each camera only gets 2 pairs which run both 100Mbit Ethernet and PoE. Cheaper “non-gigabit” PoE Mode B injectors save a buck by omitting the isolation transformers and instead inject DC onto the spare pairs, so not compatible with pair scavenging.

MikroTik’s PoE switches also use Mode B. They’re gigabit so have to include the isolation transformers anyway, presumably this is due to their ability to operate in 24V passive PoE mode. I was going to get a MikroTik switch but my pair scavenging requirements drove me down the path of a separate multi-port injector, which worked out to be a lot cheaper too!

8 port injector with a decently powerful 56V power supply was approx $100 via AliExpress.

Only drawback is a bit more cabling and no ability to remote power cycle an individual port.

Re:How criminals are using jammers, deauthers to disrupt WiF... by fomine3 on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:23PM (#33090301)
What about Netgear? (I excluded TP-Link for security though it's cheap)
Re:How criminals are using jammers, deauthers to disrupt WiF... by MarkMarine on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @11:28PM (#33090803)
This is for work so the only things that qualify are more enterprise type hardware. I have a MicroTik for my home PoE and it works quite well and it's not pricey.
Re:How criminals are using jammers, deauthers to disrupt WiF... by Spooky23 on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:48PM (#33090502)
Lol. Try running Ethernet through a door jam.
Re:How criminals are using jammers, deauthers to disrupt WiF... by goda90 on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:58PM (#33090568)
Put the Wi-Fi camera with the built in speaker as the doorbell, and then a redundant PoE camera on the wall in a place where it's easier to run a cable to.
Re:How criminals are using jammers, deauthers to disrupt WiF... by 1MachineElf on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @12:44AM (#33091350)
That's what I do.
Re:How criminals are using jammers, deauthers to disrupt WiF... by bsenftner on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @07:33AM (#33094027)
Look into Ethernet Ghost Wire, that is exactly what they do.
Re:How criminals are using jammers, deauthers to disrupt WiF... by js2 on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:25PM (#33090316)
The problem isn't the power, it's the ethernet. Most homes are already wired for a doorbell with a single wire pair to the doorbell switch and then to the bell. So you'd have to pull an ethernet cable to the door.

I just installed an Amcrest doorbell which took me like 10 minutes. I'm using it with Scrypted to connect it to HomeKit. I didn't install it for security reasons. My old doorbell switch was broken and I figured as long as I needed to replace it, it would be nice to see what the heck my dog is constantly barking about.

If I wanted something for security reasons, I'd indeed use a PoE camera, but it wouldn't be a doorbell cam. There's very few PoE doorbell cameras in any case and they are quite a bit more expensive. And pulling an ethernet cable to the doorbell switch location would be non-trivial.

Re:How criminals are using jammers, deauthers to disrupt WiF... by Dalewyn on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:58PM (#33090572)
>And pulling an ethernet cable to the doorbell switch location would be non-trivial.

The tedium/difficulty/expense of running cabling through walls and crawl spaces is something a lot of tech people seem to take for granted. Wireless is convenient(ish), particularly compared to the aforementioned, so most people are naturally going to gravitate towards it if that serves purpose.

Also, ethernet cabling available right at the front door is a security concern in itself. You need to be knowledgable of networking and have appropriate networking hardware to properly secure it against physical attacks.

Re:How criminals are using jammers, deauthers to disrupt WiF... by witheld on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:56PM (#33090552)
There’s existing two wire Ethernet PoE converters that get you 60Mb and power over a doorbell wire.

This technology could just come built into these cameras which would be the responsible thing to do.

Re:How criminals are using jammers, deauthers to disrupt WiF... by js2 on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @11:41PM (#33090909)
I looked into those and couldn’t find anything suitable. This is a pretty big box:

https://www.doorbird.com/downloads/datasheet_a1071_it.pd

It’s expensive, not weatherproof, and hard to order. Same for the one made by 2N. These both recycle old DSL technology I believe.

How difficult it is to install also depends on how your doorbell circuit is wired. Mine goes from a transformer in my basement to a switch on my door and from there to two chimes with a junction hidden somewhere. For these converters to work you need a straight run end to end.

Re:How criminals are using jammers, deauthers to disrupt WiF... by tass on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @11:38PM (#33090881)
That may be slightly better, but you still need to pull a connection to the chime. In my case, it wouldn’t be all that much easier to get there vs going straight to the door.
Re:How criminals are using jammers, deauthers to disrupt WiF... by RachelF on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @08:52PM (#33089508)
You also get cameras that take micro-SD cards and can write video to that as well as streaming it.
Re:How criminals are using jammers, deauthers to disrupt WiF... by tmm84 on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:46PM (#33090011)
This should be the product people want. I'm betting that the price difference (percentage wise) is low when purchasing a camera. I can't help but think that finding out if the camera is recording to a card will lead to home invasions to get the physical media it writes to as well. Essentially, a cat and mouse game with more and more higher stakes for the thieves and their innocent targets.
Re:How criminals are using jammers, deauthers to disrupt WiF... by walterbell on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:54PM (#33090082)
It's trivial to open most door locks.

One mitigation is to secure the physical camera, e.g. Axis P1204 can separate the camera lens by 25 feet from the camera with SD card, which can be located inside a locked enclosure/safe/room.

Re:How criminals are using jammers, deauthers to disrupt WiF... by Spooky23 on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:48PM (#33090497)
That’s the magic of Eufy (the Anker brand for this).

The cameras run on a separate wireless network and save to an SD card in the base station. You can also do RTSP streams.

Re:How criminals are using jammers, deauthers to disrupt WiF... by Dalewyn on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @11:13PM (#33090678)
The connection between base station and camera is vulnerable to jamming attacks.
Re:How criminals are using jammers, deauthers to disrupt WiF... by lazide on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @08:28PM (#33089277)
Good luck with the other radio band stuff. PoE is likely easier to find and more reliable. Most WiFi based security cameras already struggle to function decently on WiFi.
Re:How criminals are using jammers, deauthers to disrupt WiF... by downrightmike on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:50PM (#33090036)
Most of the spectrum is cellular. The reason we have wifi at all is because 2.4Ghz is the frequency of water and rain heavily disrupts it. Microwave ovens also work on 2.4Ghz, because they are dumping energy into the water molecules and making them spin.
Re:How criminals are using jammers, deauthers to disrupt WiF... by Hello71 on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:14PM (#33090228)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_common_misconceptions#...:

> Microwave ovens are not tuned to any specific resonance frequency for water molecules in the food, but rather produce a broad spectrum of frequencies, cooking food via dielectric heating of polar molecules, including water. Several absorption peaks for water lie within the microwave range, and while it is true that these peaks are caused by quantization of molecular energy levels corresponding to a single frequency, water absorbs radiation across the entire microwave spectrum.

Re:How criminals are using jammers, deauthers to disrupt WiF... by fomine3 on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:20PM (#33090279)
Interesting entry on Wikipedia, I thought that this a la carte style article isn't allowed.
Re:How criminals are using jammers, deauthers to disrupt WiF... by downrightmike on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @11:23AM (#33096756)
That's neat, I was mainly thinking of this: https://www.esinationwide.com/why-does-my-wi-fi-stop-working....