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Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by nrmitchi on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @03:57PM (#33085866)
So, “I agree to do what I already agreed to do as long as you stop suing me for it”?
Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by snarf21 on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @04:18PM (#33086149)
I have no inside info but I think this is because he is getting wrecked by discovery. More and more about him is being leaked from that and he doesn't like it. He'd rather lose billions.
Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by DeRock on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @04:33PM (#33086391)
> He'd rather lose billions.

Its an AND not an OR. He either proceeds with purchase and loses billions, or proceeds with discovery/trial, has personal info exposed, and is then forced to proceed with purchase and lose billions. He's tried to stall proceedings so far, but has reached a legal dead end.

Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by jamiek88 on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @04:33PM (#33086394)
I’m scared what scorched earth musk in charge of a zeitgeist weapon like twitter will do.
Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by WheatMillington on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @07:51PM (#33088881)
There are two cohorts who dramatically overestimate Twitter's influence and importance - tech people and journalists. Twitter really is not very important. At my non tech workplace of 800 people, I'd be surprised if 50 were active on Twitter.
Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by dlkf on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @11:20PM (#33090746)
“Most people aren’t on twitter” is not a valid argument against twitter’s influence. Compare with “most people aren’t CEOs”, “most people aren’t politicians,” etc.

Some people have a lot more influence than others, and the influential people are disproportionately on twitter.

Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by 2pEXgD0fZ5cF on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @03:00AM (#33092174)
> tech people and journalists

Also politicians.

That is the whole problem though, isn't it? A few hundred random people on Twitter are often more than enough to manufacture a wave of articles across multiple news websites and newspapers.

Twitter isn't important, the problem is that influential entities think that Twitter is important (and representative).

Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by endorphinbomber on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @05:47AM (#33093268)
>Twitter isn't important, the problem is that influential entities think that Twitter is important (and representative).

Which makes it important..

Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by 2pEXgD0fZ5cF on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @06:55AM (#33093761)
Correct, as long as the illusion stays up.
Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by tenpies on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @07:50PM (#33088863)
Well the TSLAQ community is certainly assuming they're gone.

It will be funny of the Blue Checkmarks have to form their own social media platform - or in incredibly irony - end up in one of the "right wing" platforms as a refuge of free speech.

Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by adventured on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @04:44PM (#33086543)
We can build another if it comes down to it.

See: Facebook's declining usage, and the rise of TikTok.

Social networks are all quite replaceable, there are no exceptions.

Twitter won in its micro blogging space (there were numerous competitors for a brief time, way back), however it has never been a stellar product. It can and will be replaced if Musk turns it into a disaster.

Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by warkdarrior on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @07:49PM (#33088859)
I think the jury is still out on whether TikTok is an improvement over Facebook.
Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by pwdisswordfish9 on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @01:43AM (#33091735)
Who said anything about improvement?
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Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by dane-pgp on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @04:58PM (#33086747)
Yeah, it sounds like a TTRPG doesn't it?

"Does applying scorched earth musk to my zeitgeist weapon always succeed, or do I need to roll another D20 for that?"

Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by metadat on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @04:30PM (#33086357)
The Musk brand damage could exceed a "paltry" $44B when his dirty laundry becomes public, especially given he'll only need to put in less than 50% of his own money.

Regarding the information leakage, does this signal that Mr. Musk treats people poorly in his private dealings?

It's all damage mitigation at this point.

Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by drcongo on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @04:52PM (#33086653)
Do you have examples of the stuff getting leaked? I've not seen anything (though I tend to stay away from celebrity gossip).
Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by andsoitis on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @05:27PM (#33087210)
This article is interesting for surfacing the impulsive, non-strategic, and sucking-up communiques from those in Musk’s orbit: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2022/09/elon-...
Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by concordDance on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @04:21AM (#33092728)
Note that the above article has at least one outright lie and is overall misleading. Just go read the actual communications on page 85 of the report[1], it'll be quicker and less inaccurate than reading the article.

[1] https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23108357/redacted-ver...

Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by snarf21 on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @04:56PM (#33086712)
There is lots of articles out there. Try this one:

https://www.vox.com/recode/2022/10/1/23381257/elon-musk-text...

Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by rsynnott on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @05:19PM (#33087086)
This... wasn't leaked, was it? It was released legitimately, as I understand it.
Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by bogomipz on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @11:38PM (#33090880)
From your link:

>"Within days of the announcement that the Twitter board had accepted Musk’s $44 billion offer, Benioff, who is currently worth more than $6 billion, sent Musk a cryptic text about his own vision for the platform, writing on April 27, “Happy to talk about it if this is interesting: Twitter conversational OS—the townsquare for your digital life.”

Wow. This is like something right out of an episode of Mike Judge's "Silicon Valley." These people might be extremely wealthy but jeez they are basically buffoons. I'm guessing Beinoff only shares his "A" material with Musk and he obviously felt that "Twitter conversational OS" was worth sharing. You couldn't get any more Gavin Belson than either "conversational OS" or "the townsquare for your digital life.”

Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by drcongo on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @05:06PM (#33086890)
Many thanks.
Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by kjs3 on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @04:06PM (#33085970)
Spot on...the first thing I thought was 'really...he started listening to his lawyers?'.
Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by bena on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @04:19PM (#33086174)
Yeah, isn't this effectively a complete win for Twitter concerning the lawsuits?

If you're Musk or an apologist, how do you spin this in a way that doesn't say "Yeah, they were completely right and I had no basis for my claim"?

Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by kjs3 on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @04:22PM (#33086231)
Probably something like "I no longer have time to fool around with trivial things like Twitter. Ignore it ever happened, since I'm now using my vast intellect teaching world leaders how to end their wars".
Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by phatfish on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @04:42PM (#33086501)
He's already ruled out shoehorning in Dogecoin due to scalability concerns, so there is nothing else left apart from more shitposting.
Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by LiquidSky on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @04:16PM (#33086131)
He was set to be deposed this week. I'm guessing his advisors finally got through to him that he's fucked and dragging out the trial will only further publicly humiliate himself and potentially open him to even more consequences. Musk finally has to face reality, for once.
Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by LightG on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @04:21PM (#33086212)
Yup, take a $44b tesla share price and/or reputation hit, or pay $44b and at least have an asset to show for it.

Actually, scratch the reputation bit. That's already toast.

Kudos to Twitter.

Checkmate.

Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by rchaud on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @04:59PM (#33086788)
More like kudos to Musk's lawyers for creating several months' worth of billable hours out of trying to poke holes in a "I agree to buy it sight unseen, no refunds" contract.
Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by 323 on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @04:25PM (#33086269)
What was the penalty if he lost the suit?

Would they force him to buy Twitter? Pay a fine?

Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by WJW on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @04:29PM (#33086332)
Probably "specific performance", which is pretty much enforcing the contract that he already signed. So that would come down to forcing him to buy Twitter, yes.
Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by fooey on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @04:40PM (#33086474)
Conveniently, much of Musk's assets are stored in another Delaware company called Tesla
Re:Elon Musk moves ahead with Twitter deal in 13D filing by mikkergp on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @04:22PM (#33086218)
Yeah, that provision seems suss as hell