News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:The Onion defends right to parody in Supreme Court brief by peyton on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @08:43AM (#33079471)
Dangerous? Come on.
Re:The Onion defends right to parody in Supreme Court brief by ZeroGravitas on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @08:52AM (#33079588)
Yes.

https://babylonbee.com/news/are-you-a-fascist-know-the-signs

Is this satire or are they just genuinely angry about stuff that isn't really happening? Hard to tell.

> You have more than one kid and you love being a parent: Dedication to the family is a distraction from service to the state. Just abort, you fascist – don't you want to be liberated?

Re:The Onion defends right to parody in Supreme Court brief by _fat_santa on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:30AM (#33080911)
That's funny though I will say, the Bee makes some pretty in the weeds jokes, way more so than the Onion. If you keep up with politics and shit happening on twitter it's hilarious, if you're not then it's hard to understand that joke.

EDIT: That joke in question is about the new Italian PM. What they are satirizing is in her acceptance speech she talked about "family, god and country" and the left immediately called her fascist for it.

Re:The Onion defends right to parody in Supreme Court brief by ZeroGravitas on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @11:08AM (#33081454)
> What they are satirizing is in her acceptance speech she talked about "family, god and country" and the left immediately called her fascist for it

See, I don't think that's a thing that happened. And if you satirise something that never happened, but your audience all think happened, because someone on Twitter told them it happened then you're in a weird area.

And I can see how that could happen in other online cliques too. I think if it happened in a clique I was in and cared about, I'd call it out, not celebrate it. But that assumes you know it didn't happen, and that you care.

So fundamentally it's not the satire that's the problem, it's groups of people believing stuff that isn't true.

Re:The Onion defends right to parody in Supreme Court brief by hairofadog on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @12:05PM (#33082370)
That's not why they called her a fascist.
Re:The Onion defends right to parody in Supreme Court brief by tstrimple on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @11:00AM (#33081354)
Or maybe calling her a fascist is the result of her rhetoric against LGBT folks and immigrants while leading a political party (The Brothers of Italy) with fascist roots and her comments praising fascists.
Re:The Onion defends right to parody in Supreme Court brief by iinnPP on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:40AM (#33080205)
It's very clearly satire and not dangerous.

I have a very serious question for anyone pushing a limit on free speech: where does it end?

My answer is that the Right will dictate the limits to speech, not the Left.

Stop pushing for this. It will end poorly for everyone. The people who are already suffering will be the hardest hit.

Re:The Onion defends right to parody in Supreme Court brief by DoctorOW on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:52AM (#33080370)
Babylon Bee is probably among the least dangerous of modern conservatism. Babylon Bee writers themselves have been known to admit they have a really hard time writing anything decent. Their market is conservatives, not fans of humor. As such, any This is because the secret to humor is surprise. Look at the quote you used. Did anyone not see the headline and not put together it'd be the usual "The real fascism" talking points?
Re:The Onion defends right to parody in Supreme Court brief by theflyingelvis on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:30AM (#33080079)
That’s actually pretty humorous
Re:The Onion defends right to parody in Supreme Court brief by throwawaylinux on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @12:25PM (#33082698)
What's the danger exactly? Not outlandish conjecture like "it emboldens fascists", but something actually quantifiable.
Re:The Onion defends right to parody in Supreme Court brief by TeeMassive on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:41AM (#33081066)
Taking things seriously and taking socially reprehensible and authoritarian positions? Sounds like confession through projection.
Re:The Onion defends right to parody in Supreme Court brief by refurb on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:26AM (#33080845)
I mean that's clearly satire by the very fact they are calling their readers fascists.

Or do you think people read that and say "oh yeah, I guess I am a fascist!"

Re:The Onion defends right to parody in Supreme Court brief by swivelmaster on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:28AM (#33080878)
This is dangerously lazy comedy writing, I’ll give it that.

When it does take a turn though, it appears that they really do believe that Biden supporters are literally murdering Trump voters in the streets. Or they want their readers to believe it.

The thing is, when you’re writing comedy and you break the fourth wall to say “okay here’s what I actually think,” as this article does, you’re no longer in parody territory if most of what you say is exactly what a common person believes. Mixing in satire that sounds exactly like fascist propaganda is pretty transparently manipulative.

Re:The Onion defends right to parody in Supreme Court brief by someguy5344523 on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @02:06PM (#33084317)
> it appears that they really do believe that Biden supporters are literally murdering Trump voters in the streets

They are: https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/22/us/north-dakota-teenager-vehi...

Re:The Onion defends right to parody in Supreme Court brief by swivelmaster on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @05:23PM (#33087156)
“They” really doing a lot of work for you there…

Do you honestly believe this or are you just trying as hard as humanly possible to make a pedantic point for the sake of argument?

Re:The Onion defends right to parody in Supreme Court brief by ZeroGravitas on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @03:39PM (#33085615)
> Four of Brandt's neighbors agreed that his mental health contributed to the incident, and said they don't believe the incident was motivated by politics.

Quote from Fox News.

Meanwhile Trump has been telling people he was a far left activist who intentionally mowed someone down in cold blood and the mainstream media refuses to cover the story (possibly because Trump made up most of the details).

There's some weird stuff about the the crazy guy saying the kid was in an extremist Republican outfit, but as far as I can tell that's just the ravings of a drunk with mental health issues who just run someone over while DUI.

Re:The Onion defends right to parody in Supreme Court brief by bena on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:58AM (#33081326)
Yeah. That isn't satire or a joke.

It's wearing the cloth, but it's really a thinly veiled screed against the "libruls".

It's positing that people are calling you fascist for saying Merry Christmas or voting for Trump. No one is doing that. Not a single goddamn person is doing that. Not a fucking soul is calling you fascist for celebrating the 4th of July.

But if you support or have supported an insurrection on your nation's capitol to install the loser of an election to the highest office in the land. You may have fascist tendencies. If you wish to install a theocracy and enforce the rules of your religion onto others. You may have fascist tendencies.

Then they throw in the mustache, goose-stepping bit. Which while both were done by actual fascists and are clear nods to Adolf Hitler and the Nazi party, they aren't necessary or sufficient conditions.

Then they go on with the Biden criticisms in which they distort or ignore things to make claims. Like "You use federal law enforcement to intimidate and attack political opponents". Just completely ignoring the fact that it's neither intimidation nor an attack to investigate people who broke the law. Regardless if they're a "political opponent" or not. Which is kind of hilarious as one of Trump's campaign promises/slogans was literally a promise to use law enforcement to attack a political opponent.

As with most cases, the "joke" with The Babylon Bee is "fuck liberals".

Re:The Onion defends right to parody in Supreme Court brief by noonesays on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @11:29AM (#33081778)
> It's positing that people are calling you fascist for ... voting for Trump. No one is doing that. Not a single goddamn person is doing that.

"Voting for Trump makes you a White Supremacist Fascist" https://twitter.com/fuzzybeargville/status/15661012675245547...

See also https://twitter.com/jeffrasley/status/1575145987974242306 https://twitter.com/Isle_of_Sun/status/1559962427529240576 https://twitter.com/KeithInKeyWest/status/156543613646131200... https://twitter.com/geoffbaron/status/1559935679559135232 https://twitter.com/NarrativeMachi1/status/15598855095764910...

> Not a fucking soul is calling you fascist for celebrating the 4th of July.

"America is a fascist country therefore, celebrating this July 4th is celebrating fascism." https://twitter.com/FFDC202/status/1542899275453046784

See also https://twitter.com/TheRickyDavila/status/154333827868577382... https://twitter.com/mackyson/status/1543846595317452800

Re:The Onion defends right to parody in Supreme Court brief by ZeroGravitas on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @12:41PM (#33082939)
You found Ben Shapiro claiming that Liz Cheney was calling all Trump 2024 voters 'incipient' Fascist, and you think that supports your case?

How about limiting the proof of what you think "liberals" think to stuff that blue checkmarked Twitter accounts who aren't professional comedians say in earnest. Otherwise we might as well use stuff scrawled on a bathroom stall wall in poop for our sources.

Re:The Onion defends right to parody in Supreme Court brief by ccn0p on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @11:21AM (#33081648)
well. as stated many times, you are upset and don't find this funny, but many people do find this funny. So is that comedy?

Also, jokes that are about literal things are, well, usually more boring. Have people called me a fascist for saying Merry Christmas? Nope. But... have I seen legitimate news outlets using the word fascist and Christian in the same article? Yep. Did it indirectly draw a connection between the two? Sure seems like it to me. Hence, the joke.

Re:The Onion defends right to parody in Supreme Court brief by bena on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @11:33AM (#33081850)
Why do you think I'm upset? That's a weird thing to accuse people of right off the bat.

Some people also find cruelty funny. That wouldn't make cruelty funny.

Yes, when talking about people who are Christian nationalists trying to install a theocracy, you may have the words "fascist" and "Christian" in the same article. But it's not in the same ballpark, or even the same sport, as saying you're being called a fascist for saying "Merry Christmas".

If anything, it's motte and bailey disguised as a joke. They're trying to get people to see anyone associating anything even Christian adjacent to fascism as unreasonable people.

But. You can be Christian and not be a fascist. You can go do Christian things, worship Christian gods, attend Christian churches, have Christian holidays. No one is going to say anything about it. The minute you try to force me to accept your Christian things, worship your gods, attend your Churches, and celebrate your holidays over all others, is the minute we start having problems. The minute we begin saying that you are a fascist in addition to being a Christian. Because no one is saying Christianity is fascism. But that's what that "joke" does. It's basically staking the claim that people complaining about Christian fascists are saying that all Christians are fascists. Or at the very least, saying that's a leap you can make. And it's not.

Re:The Onion defends right to parody in Supreme Court brief by 1123581321 on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @11:52AM (#33082176)
You sounded upset to me as well. Long post, f-word, using extremely online words like the sarcastic use of “librul,” and a couple other things. The overall discourse here has been more succinct and of a more moderate tone without compromising the ideas being shared. I don’t think it’s weird for someone to point out to you that your post is standing out in a negative way.
Re:The Onion defends right to parody in Supreme Court brief by ccn0p on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @02:28PM (#33099389)
i guess your f-bombs and swearing confused my brains sentiment analyzer.

It seems like you don't laugh at the Bee </interpretation>. I don't laugh at SNL. Or Trevor Noah. I cringe. But it's still satirical comedy nonetheless because lots of people do laugh and I would be the first person in line to protect their right to make fun of Trump or Christians or Republicans. Without this right to push the boundary, especially in a way that makes people laugh, then it really does start to look like fascism.

Re:The Onion defends right to parody in Supreme Court brief by headsoup on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:31AM (#33080922)
The hard to tell part points to issues in society, not the satire.