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Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by jeffreygoesto on Thursday September 29, 2022 @03:53PM (#33026173)
Relative VOC measurements at least are able to detect a no. 2 in nappies. Great to distinguish if you should go in and change them or would be a distraction from falling to sleep when checking. I bulit a Pi ZeroW that measures on the side of the bed and publishes a curve of the last hour of the values. You can see a pretty salient drop when "it" happens.
Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by SrslyJosh on Thursday September 29, 2022 @04:52PM (#33027039)
I have an Awair sensor, and I can confirm that the VOC sensor is able to detect...well, pretty much anything from food to hair products to outgassing from some new thing that I opened up and accidentally left too close to the sensor.
Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by tclancy on Thursday September 29, 2022 @06:37PM (#33028269)
Yeah, I don’t know how good it actually is, but the one time I painted indoors the thing cratered in a way it never has before or since.

And my daughter keeps trying to see if flatulence will actually drop the air quality depending on proximity.

Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by rgbrenner on Thursday September 29, 2022 @09:19PM (#33029666)
I got 3 awairs and they were all over the place sitting right next to each other.
Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by wil421 on Thursday September 29, 2022 @04:05PM (#33026358)
What sensor are you using? I bought a few trash ones from Microcenter. The readings were all over the place and I couldn’t get reliable numbers without smoothing numbers and throwing readings out. One of the spec sheets even said you would get crazy readings and would need to throw them out.
Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by newman314 on Thursday September 29, 2022 @05:00PM (#33027155)
I'm a little surprised that no one has mentioned Aranet yet. From what I can tell, they appear to work quite well. However, it is quite pricey.

I did look into the AirGradient when geerlingguy put out a video about it but they were out of stock at the time. It looks like there might be a new version but that may be something worth looking at.

I tried the Vitalight CO2s but the readings were all over the place despite recalibration with 2 devices side by side. Ended up returning these. Do not recommend.

Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by williamscales on Friday September 30, 2022 @12:13AM (#33030840)
yeah I was looking for mentions of Aranet. I have two and they came with calibration info iirc.
Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by jeffreygoesto on Friday September 30, 2022 @02:23AM (#33031616)
I am using a Bosch BME680 and read it out with https://pypi.org/project/bme680/
Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by Rnonymous on Friday September 30, 2022 @04:56AM (#33032585)
This suffers from exactly what is mentioned in the article i assume. The temperature and humidity are thus unreliable.
Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by jeffreygoesto on Friday September 30, 2022 @05:30AM (#33032807)
True. You need to know that and see if you can live with it for your use case. Some information is available at least, like the temperature coefficient of the pressure sensor [0]. Bosch offers an "interpretation library" that you also can train yourself specifically, that can be used for the successor BME688 [1]...

[0] https://community.bosch-sensortec.com/t5/Knowledge-base/BME2...

[1] https://github.com/BoschSensortec/BME68x-Sensor-API

Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by clairity on Thursday September 29, 2022 @04:03PM (#33026328)
yah, i think a lot of these IAQ (indoor air quality) products are ok at relative differences (which is mostly what lay consumers care about). the article mainly points out that they're not good at absolute measurements, and for something like VOCs, it's likely using a CO₂ sensor and a lookup table that's static and only really valid for the test room it was created in.
Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by Majromax on Thursday September 29, 2022 @04:40PM (#33026854)
> for something like VOCs, it's likely using a CO₂ sensor and a lookup table that's static and only really valid for the test room it was created in.

It's the other way around, usually. CO₂ is more typically the estimated value, since its direct detection involves a relatively expensive NDIR value. VOCs as a category need some sort of modeling and estimation, but sensors can go fairly far by directly measuring a few species (hydrogen, for example), and hoping.

Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by clairity on Thursday September 29, 2022 @05:44PM (#33027667)
oh, right, dunno where that brain fart came from... thanks for the correction!
Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by slig on Thursday September 29, 2022 @04:19PM (#33026570)
I bought a couple of Figaro TGS2602 from Aliexpress and they were quite sensitive to "human gas emissions".
Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by JTbane on Thursday September 29, 2022 @04:22PM (#33026605)
Could you use this to detect flatulence in adults?
Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by odysseus on Thursday September 29, 2022 @04:32PM (#33026741)
For sure. I have a couple of Winix air quality sensors / purifiers and they power up (with red LEDs and rushing fans) almost immediately if anyone has a little gas anywhere in the room.
Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by entropic88 on Thursday September 29, 2022 @05:46PM (#33027699)
My kids call our winix purifiers "fart detectors"
Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by dpwm on Thursday September 29, 2022 @04:32PM (#33026737)
If you were to have an array of such sensors, perhaps you'd be able to estimate direction of travel.
Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by checkyoursudo on Thursday September 29, 2022 @04:48PM (#33026974)
"I'm sorry, Frank. The sensors don't lie. I'm going to have to ask you to leave."
Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by fghorow on Thursday September 29, 2022 @05:09PM (#33027246)
Now there is a budding seismologist's answer! ;-)
Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by IvyMike on Thursday September 29, 2022 @05:00PM (#33027152)
Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by kaybe on Thursday September 29, 2022 @04:21PM (#33026590)
Nice, I'd be interested in a write-up with plots!
Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by myroon5 on Thursday September 29, 2022 @04:03PM (#33026322)
Why drop? Less gas afterwards?
Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by qqqwerty on Thursday September 29, 2022 @04:06PM (#33026369)
Maybe a voltage drop? Most sensors just return a voltage. And then you have to calibrate that value and convert it into some sort of measurement using an equation. So an increase in VOC might result in a drop in voltage on the sensor.
Re:Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam by notduncansmith on Thursday September 29, 2022 @04:17PM (#33026535)
It’s a relative indicator, so it would spike and then (relative to that spike) drop steadily as the VOCs diffuse and vent.