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Re:Intel Failed Science by redwood on Thursday September 29, 2022 @06:12AM (#33018513)
Twitter fails public discourse. What a painful format to read a presumably thoughtful statement from an intellectual. This medium is what our society has come to for public intellectual discourse in the sciences?
Re:Intel Failed Science by oytis on Thursday September 29, 2022 @09:01AM (#33019982)
Really, can't understand why academia (or anyone frankly) chose Twitter as a means to do public communications. Character limit, poor access control capabilities, actively blocking people without accounts from reading. Like, every aspect seems to be worse than vintage blogging platforms, apart from the fact that somehow everyone is on Twitter now.
Re:Intel Failed Science by danielvf on Thursday September 29, 2022 @09:12AM (#33020128)
Massively bigger network than the blog-o-sphere provides more value.

Your new content appears in feeds in seconds.

The small content size constraints allow readers to follow more people, making the network more connected.

Re:Intel Failed Science by ghaff on Thursday September 29, 2022 @09:45AM (#33020525)
>Massively bigger network than the blog-o-sphere provides more value.

I question the value. Yes, there's discovery but nothing is keeping anyone from clicking through a link from a short summary. And, if people don't? Personally I'm OK with that. No one is paying me for eyeballs. Way too many people are obsessed with pageviews even if they don't get compensated for them.

Re:Intel Failed Science by oytis on Thursday September 29, 2022 @09:49AM (#33020579)
Yes, you're right, feed seems to be the major differentiator. RSS never really reached the same user experience.
Re:Intel Failed Science by denton-scratch on Thursday September 29, 2022 @09:49AM (#33020583)
> somehow everyone is on Twitter now.

Well, you can't reach me through Twitter. I think the "everyone" you refer to is "everyone who thinks they're important". Lots of politicians, journalists, "celebrities" and academics.

I tried to read the tweeter's opinions, but gave up after three sentences (3 tweets). That's a truly awful way to consume a reasoned argument.

Re:Intel Failed Science by oytis on Thursday September 29, 2022 @10:09AM (#33020837)
I think I'm mostly confused about academia really. I get it, it's a nice and easy format to quickly share one's thoughts, so masses are there. Now people who need to speak to the masses (celebrities, politicians) are also there. But academia should be different as I though. Post like this one seem to be rather belonging to a mailing list or a specialised blog or whatever good format that were invented on the internet. Instead it is composed as a series of linked SMS-sized messages on a walled-garden type of platform.
Re:Intel Failed Science by denton-scratch on Thursday September 29, 2022 @03:13PM (#33025625)
> Post like this one seem to be rather belonging to a mailing list

Couldn't agree more. I grieve the decline of mailing lists.

Re:Intel Failed Science by fomine3 on Thursday September 29, 2022 @08:36PM (#33029299)
It's still better than Facebook and LinkedIn for login, because I can read a tweet without login at least. Show reply requires login but who cares garbages?
Re:Intel Failed Science by 300bps on Thursday September 29, 2022 @08:32AM (#33019655)
What a painful format to read a presumably thoughtful statement

I see this sentiment posted often on HN and I'm hoping you can help me understand this. I never use Twitter so am not familiar with its interface. When I click on the link in the OP I see a very easy to ready list of 13 contiguous statements.

I'm using Microsoft Edge on Windows 11. I'm curious what you see that makes the format so painful to read?

Re:Intel Failed Science by AdrianB1 on Thursday September 29, 2022 @09:17AM (#33020194)
Not the OP, but I also find it weird - content is broken based on text length, not logical separation and scrolling down at some point is freezing the page with a prompt to login or create an account (I don't have one and I don't want one). The freeze for login is the more annoying one.
Re:Intel Failed Science by kop316 on Thursday September 29, 2022 @10:24AM (#33021062)
I actually think this link helps: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1575233618170982400.html

All of the statements are small and almost have to be encapsulated to make sense. This robs a lot of nuance and background information that is assumed you would know, or you have to dig up (with little help from the Tweet), to appreciate most of the context. Without it, all I get from the tweet is "Intel Bad".

To take a couple of examples fromm the Tweet:

> Yes, Intel is shipping to Argonne now. Great. How much of it? All of it at once?

I have no context for this. Presumably Intel Argonna is an HPC, and I suppose it is late. Is it late by a year, 5 years, 10 years? Is it worse than something else? What am I supposed to make of it? I have to dig up a bunch of background info to understand what this means.

> But I do know the worst thing Intel could do—did do—this week: host a glittering event that heralded an era of sparkling, Moores Law defying technical progress that for people in the HPC camp found *painfully tone deaf.*

Ok...what event? Could you please name it?

3 tweets later...

> This year at the annual Supercomputing Conference

Ok....maybe looking "annual Supercomputing Conference" will find something, (which it does). But There is nothing on "host a glittering event".

https://sc22.supercomputing.org/attend/schedule/

Nope.

I could go on...but you see my point (hopefully). So now I have a bunch of stuff (that I cannot easily verify) from someone I don't know, and presumably I am supposed to take it all at face value.

This person seems like they know what they are talking about, but considering the terrible Signal-to-Noise Ratio of Twitter, I am not going to accept anything on there at face value.

Re:Intel Failed Science by xani_ on Thursday September 29, 2022 @09:29AM (#33020336)
Now imagine the author was slighty slower at typing and some randoms put the comment in the middle of that split-up comment, without even getting to read the whole
Re:Intel Failed Science by 300bps on Thursday September 29, 2022 @09:33AM (#33020395)
I can imagine that, I just don't see it. Every single time someone is complaining about this format it is a contiguous thought stream with no comments or other breaks in between for me.

Can you tell me what client you are reading this in that is showing comments in between the original content? Again, I am simply clicking on the link from OP on Windows 11 with Microsoft Edge. If I view it in Chrome it looks to be in the same identical easy-to-read format. I'm wondering what others are using that are making it so difficult.

Re:Intel Failed Science by kemayo on Thursday September 29, 2022 @09:56AM (#33020676)
Twitter tries to show the original author's thread-tweets uninterrupted. However, sometimes the thread gets broken -- generally in very long threads -- and it starts showing replies from other users rather than the next tweet in the thread.

It's not happening here, so I'd assume that the person you're responding to has just had a few bad experiences trying to read threads like that in the past.

(It happens with the twitter web client and app, so I'd assume it's something to do with how they build the thread server-side, rather than being something where it's meaningful to ask about the client being used.)

Re:Intel Failed Science by xani_ on Friday September 30, 2022 @10:18AM (#33035179)
XANI

  @XANi

  Even if it is contiguous you still have very long breaks. 

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  @XANi

  About 40% of the space between sentences is taken by the buttons and poster name 

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XANI

  @XANi

  Do you really can't see the issue with it ? 

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  @XANi

  It's really obnoxious to read 

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  @XANi

  Or you're just understating those flaws on purpose ? 

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Re:Intel Failed Science by gumby on Thursday September 29, 2022 @09:04AM (#33020028)
Because instead of your eye naturally flowing down the text you get a sentence or two and then have to jump down to find the next sentence or two which while remembering the context. They aren’t contiguous at all.

Also because of the constraints of tweet length the sentences are chopped short rather than being whatever their “natural” length, short or long, would be.

The point of writing as the GP suggested is to minimize the friction between written text and comprehension/reasoning. Twitter is designed exactly against that, so the result is a bunch of slogans or tiny sound bites.

Re:Intel Failed Science by 300bps on Thursday September 29, 2022 @09:36AM (#33020421)
They aren’t contiguous at all.

That's what I'm saying. They are completely contiguous and easy to read and follow for me when I view the OP with Microsoft Edge or Google Chrome on Windows 11.

I'm trying to figure out - what are you viewing the OP with to make it not contiguous?

Re:Intel Failed Science by gumby on Thursday September 29, 2022 @12:08PM (#33022633)
In the twitter app or safari or (shudder) chrome, each tweet is decorated with the sender, date, number of likes etc.
Re:Intel Failed Science by tomxor on Thursday September 29, 2022 @08:47AM (#33019809)
I also hate the anti-logged-out dark patterns they introduced this year. It's almost useless without logging in.
Re:Intel Failed Science by ahartmetz on Thursday September 29, 2022 @08:34AM (#33019681)
Uh, I guess successful scientists can apply their highly developed "smallest publishable unit" competence.
Re:Intel Failed Science by ajnin on Thursday September 29, 2022 @09:10AM (#33020110)
I recommend the "Privacy Redirect" browser extension which redirects Twitter to Nitter, which is incomparably more usable, especially not logged in. It will also redirect YouTube and Google Maps to Invidious and OpenStreetMaps respectively (and other services as well). Main issue is that the provided list of instances is not reliable so some weeding out is required at the beginning.
Re:Intel Failed Science by knorker on Thursday September 29, 2022 @07:51AM (#33019301)
The way to make it readable is to plug it into threadreaderapp:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1575233618170982400.html

Re:Intel Failed Science by erreJulian on Thursday September 29, 2022 @08:36AM (#33019705)
Matter Reader App [0] also creates a more readable version if you share a link to a twitter thread. I was a ThreadReader user until Matter added this feature.

[0] https://getmatter.app/

Re:Intel Failed Science by jccalhoun on Thursday September 29, 2022 @09:06AM (#33020057)
Maybe I'm wrong but the writing seems to blame here not the medium. I'm ignorant of the topic and had a hard time even understanding what the person was writing about. From my limited understanding, it would have been more informative to say "Intel was supposed to deliver a supercomputer but is late so now the USA is falling behind China in supercomputing." However, maybe I'm missing the actual content though and I won't disagree that the Medium is the Message.
Re:Intel Failed Science by systemvoltage on Thursday September 29, 2022 @12:02PM (#33022553)
It was really hard to read for me as well.
Re:Intel Failed Science by atemerev on Thursday September 29, 2022 @09:29AM (#33020344)
It's either that or PowerPoint.
Re:Intel Failed Science by snowwrestler on Thursday September 29, 2022 @08:49AM (#33019837)
> Please don't complain about tangential annoyances—things like article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage. They're too common to be interesting.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Intel Failed Science by darkerside on Thursday September 29, 2022 @07:29AM (#33019084)
What is so painful about it?
Re:Intel Failed Science by lm28469 on Thursday September 29, 2022 @10:10AM (#33020842)
I could explain
Re:Intel Failed Science by darkerside on Thursday September 29, 2022 @07:43PM (#33028888)
Nice
Re:Intel Failed Science by lm28469 on Thursday September 29, 2022 @10:10AM (#33020844)
way too many comments
Re:Intel Failed Science by darkerside on Thursday September 29, 2022 @07:43PM (#33028889)
Straw
Re:Intel Failed Science by lm28469 on Thursday September 29, 2022 @10:10AM (#33020843)
but it would take
Re:Intel Failed Science by darkerside on Thursday September 29, 2022 @07:44PM (#33028892)
Man
Re:Intel Failed Science by idontknowifican on Thursday September 29, 2022 @06:58AM (#33018852)
how else would you make 13 related statements to the broadest possible group, allowing them to react to each one? is your lack of understanding a platform because you don’t like it showing?
Re:Intel Failed Science by DannyBee on Thursday September 29, 2022 @07:37AM (#33019164)
You are kidding, right?

Yes, how did discourse ever happen prior to twitter? We were all just cavepeople, smearing things on walls, until twitter saved us!

I also like that you think any of the 13 statements is even worth individually responding to, when in fact, each one is written in a way to drive reaction, rather than be part of an overall coherent story or thought.

They happen to be a reasonable writer, so they can make it overall seem reasonably coherent, but it's also 100% clear the writing would be better if they weren't trying to generate 13 statements that can be individually responded to.

The platform has not made it better.

Re:Intel Failed Science by greyw on Thursday September 29, 2022 @07:01AM (#33018869)
like I'm reacting now to your sentence