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Re:Ask HN: Have you experienced “hiring fraud?” by giantg2 on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @12:58PM (#32997979)
To be fair, legitimate candidates might try to beat keyword screens. I feel like beating keyword screens is fair game as long as it's not an outright lie. It's just a way to get past a flawed step in the process so an actual human can make a decision. Those screens are really just the virtual equivalent of handing an interviewer a resume and them trashing it in front of you.
Re:Ask HN: Have you experienced “hiring fraud?” by monocasa on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @01:03PM (#32998077)
Earlier in my career I would no joke add an invisible layer to my resume with the job description from the company I was applying to copy pasted in it in order to beat the auto keyword scanning.
Re:Ask HN: Have you experienced “hiring fraud?” by Aromasin on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @01:25PM (#32998345)
Glad I'm not the only one. I tracked the uptick in interview offers using this method, and it was nearly 4x more. Only one recruiter seemed to notice, and gave me a dressing for it. In my eyes, play stupid games, win stupid prizes (me).
Re:Ask HN: Have you experienced “hiring fraud?” by throwaway743 on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @01:53PM (#32998738)
Noticed this increase in response with this method as well, while I was applying a couple years ago.

Seemed to work really well specifically with city government jobs (New York), based on the response/application ratio. I'm guessing it may have to do with their antiquated systems.

Re:Ask HN: Have you experienced “hiring fraud?” by FerociousTimes on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @01:40PM (#32998538)
Like an embedded passage of text within a PDF document?

That's plain old keyword stuffing.

Re:Ask HN: Have you experienced “hiring fraud?” by yieldcrv on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @01:08PM (#32998126)
ha nice I’ve done that for website metadata and crawling scripts there

never thought of for resume

Re:Ask HN: Have you experienced “hiring fraud?” by spmurrayzzz on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @01:13PM (#32998192)
Very much agree on keyword scanning — all of our resume review for us is done by the recruiting team and hiring managers. If candidates take the time to thoughtfully apply, I believe we should be making reciprocal efforts to review in kind.

These resumes however are all identical to one another. It's a different situation, but that notwithstanding— we still do review all these and your sentiment very much aligns with my own.

Re:Ask HN: Have you experienced “hiring fraud?” by PragmaticPulp on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @01:10PM (#32998163)
> To be fair, legitimate candidates might try to beat keyword screens.

IMO, this technique has been exaggerated to the point of being counterproductive.

As soon as the interviewer discovers that some claimed experience on the resume was a lie, they can't trust the rest of the resume. The interviews get harder and the interviewer starts looking deeper for other inconsistencies or outright lies.

Often, discovering outright lies on someone's resume is sufficient to drop them out of the hiring pipeline completely.

Spamming keywords that you don't actually know might get you into flawed companies that don't know how to screen or interview candidates, but those generally aren't good places to work.

Re:Ask HN: Have you experienced “hiring fraud?” by giantg2 on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @02:04PM (#32998889)
I'm not talking about lying.

The main thing I was talking about is using something like tiny white color text to reiterate stuff from their post. Or literally say I don't have any experience with X, Y, and Z. It's not lying, a printout doesn't show it, but it can trick the system.

One other example might be using the same inflated wording that job postings use (puffery?). Using fancy jazzed up language sometimes helps, especially if it includes keywords that are reasonably true or a matter of opinion (like the job posting saying it's a great opportunity or cutting edge tech).

Re:Ask HN: Have you experienced “hiring fraud?” by itronitron on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @01:56PM (#32998774)
Yes, at this point I see technical keywords in a job posting as accumulating into a set of reasons that I wouldn't want to apply.
Re:Ask HN: Have you experienced “hiring fraud?” by giantg2 on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @02:30PM (#32999195)
I agree, but it seems like every company does it. Apparently they're all great companies to work for with exciting opportunities to change the world using a cutting edge tech stack built by world class expert coworkers.
Re:Ask HN: Have you experienced “hiring fraud?” by bluGill on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @01:25PM (#32998352)
Keywords are useful though because there are so many ways to say the same thing and half the time nobody cares about that keyword anyway. I've seen more than one place demand keywords they clearly don't use on the job - if I can talk about php even a little I can claim it even though it has been 15 years since I last saw php...