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Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by carvking on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @10:57AM (#32996127)
Great for waking people up to a centralized authority that acts without warning.

Great for deepening the divide between people & countries.

Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by ImprobableTruth on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @11:28AM (#32996604)
Yeah, I think this unfortunately heralds the end for the international internet. If you're not a core US ally, being heavily dependent on US services is now a risk, so I imagine we'll see a wave of states moving to develop their own like China did.
Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by kube-system on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @11:46AM (#32996893)
This is the end of the international internet? 20-25% of internet users have been behind behind a firewall for decades that cuts them off from huge parts of the internet.

The internationality of the internet has always been inversely proportional to its accessibility to the masses.

Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by im3w1l on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @02:41PM (#32999331)
Developing your own might be too expensive. I think it could happen that the internet will divide like IRL, roughly into blocks.
Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by AlexandrB on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @11:17AM (#32996428)
My impression is that both services are widely used in "Slavic" countries, not just Russia. In particular, my relatives in Ukraine use both mail.ru and VK. I wonder if this will trigger a move to equivalent American services, like Facebook or Gmail, for some.
Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by ChuckNorris89 on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @01:22PM (#32998307)
Using the word "Slavic" is wrong here. You probably meant ex-USSR countries. PL, CZ, SK are also as slavic as it gets but nobody here uses VK.
Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by mrleblanc101 on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @04:13PM (#33012659)
Ukrainians using web services from Russian-based company, this seems like a bad idea
Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by sab24 on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @11:51AM (#32996975)
It seems to force iPhone users to switch from Russian services to services from the United States, which provides a certain finanical benefit for the United States.
Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by mrleblanc101 on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @04:12PM (#33012646)
This is a UK sanction, this has nothing to do with the US. Apple simply terminated the developer account which removed the app in every country.
Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by marginalia_nu on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @11:43AM (#32996846)
> Great for waking people up to a centralized authority that acts without warning.

Genuinely uncertain if this refers to Apple or the kremlin.

Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by capableweb on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @11:47AM (#32996896)
Suitably applies to both.
Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by seydor on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @11:08AM (#32996298)
> waking people up to a centralized authority

i think people are asking for it

Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by fsflover on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @11:24AM (#32996554)
Any references?
Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by watwut on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @10:12AM (#33008173)
Gotta love how my accurate characterization of causes of current dived comment was flagged. Russia is divided away from rest, because of Genocide and nuclear threats. Russia acts that way because of their own ideologies, history and feeling of entitlement.

The app store apps removal is very minor and does very little to further already existing divide.

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Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by KptMarchewa on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @11:28AM (#32996608)
Well, they've bothered to false flag a bit.
Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by pessimizer on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @11:36AM (#32996751)
With their insidious plan to put an anti-Russian military alliance on their borders. You obviously understand the depths of Putin's genius. He's playing the long game.
Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by dragonwriter on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @05:02PM (#33001074)
NATO has been on the Russian Federation’s borders as long as the RF has existed.

And it was on the borders of both the USSR and the RSFSR as long as NATO has existed, which is considerably longer.

Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by bpodgursky on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @11:45AM (#32996880)
This argument is dumb because Estonia and Latvia are already on their border.

There's nothing NATO can do with Ukraine they couldn't already do with the Baltics.

Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by seba_dos1 on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @12:07PM (#32997224)
It's more than dumb. Russia's current actions are actually only now making NATO presence in the region tangibly stronger (see: Sweden, Finland). This wouldn't happen without Putin invading Ukraine.
Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by monocasa on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @01:12PM (#32998176)
The difference is whether or not you're on the open plains leading to Moscow. The eastern edge of the Carpathian Mountains has always been a hard line for Russia, going back to the middle ages, because once the plain to Moscow opens up, it's nearly indefensible. That edge is in eastern Ukraine.

It's a very 19th/20th century view on 21st century geopolitics, but hey, that's modern Russia for you.

Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by the_third_wave on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @01:19PM (#32998272)
And Lithuania, bordering Kaliningrad which is a - highly militarised - Russian enclave bordering Poland and Lithuania.
Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by 100721 on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @11:34AM (#32996711)
That is the overwhelming global intelligence consensus, yes. Even Russian allies aren't fully behind the conflict - if Russia were provoked, allies would be offering materiel or training, no?
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Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by jonnybgood on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @12:11PM (#32997306)
> Russia is one of the biggest weapons exporters in the world

Not anymore. This war has shown how crap Russian equipment is. Those who are not allowed to buy from US will start buying from China.

Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by the_third_wave on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @01:21PM (#32998295)
...or Iran which has a sizeable weapons industry, or India. Maybe even North Korea given that Russia seems to be in the process of buying/has already bought artillery shells from them.
Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by dirheist on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @11:52AM (#32996991)
Hopefully with the UK in economic freefall, Italy electing a far right government and the EU about to have a cold winter, among Russia faltering and losing ground, a stalemate and truce/peace deal will be reached by next year. The rhetoric around this war is too hot and maybe the economic fallout on all sides will show people that we need to cool off.
Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by rjzzleep on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @12:08PM (#32997242)
On all sides? India has seen massive GDP growth, mostly by acting as intermediary for products that Europe used to refine itself. Europe on the other hand is in recession and has a massive economic crises and rising populism on its hands. While Russia has a small contraction ~2% it's nothing like what quite a few of the European economies are facing. Meanwhile Russian sanctioned companies made more profit since the beginning of the war than the entirety of 2021 thanks to idiots like Ursula von der Leyen and the children book author Habeck. I'm absolutely baffled at how you think the war is at a stalemate when even the western analysts that have infinite praise for Ukraine are admitting unsustainable casualties of both Ukrainian trained troops and military hardware.

Hardware does not grow on trees. It has to be built with energy and resources. Where do those come from? Usually when you pick a fight with a big warmachine you don't just dive in nose first, you first build your energy independence and then join in not the other way round.

For example the "The Royal United Services Institute for Defence and Security Studies" describes this shitshow in the following way:

> In short, US annual artillery production would at best only last for 10 days to two weeks of combat in Ukraine. If the initial estimate of Russian shells fired is over by 50%, it would only extend the artillery supplied for three weeks.

> The US is not the only country facing this challenge. In a recent war game involving US, UK and French forces, UK forces exhausted national stockpiles of critical ammunition after eight days.

[1] https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentar...

Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by jonnybgood on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @12:19PM (#32997453)
> I'm absolutely baffled at how you think the war is at a stalemate when even the western analysts that have infinite praise for Ukraine are admitting unsustainable casualties of both Ukrainian trained troops and military hardware.

Are we going to ignore the fact Russia just started a draft? Russia is not winning this war. Ukraine isn't entirely either. Russia also has unsustainable casualties (evident by the draft) and military equipment. Russia is depleting it's modern equipment/weapons and relying on more old equipment/weapons that's less accurate and dependable.

If Russia didn't call for mobilization to replenish their forces, Ukraine is on it's way to bulldozing Russian defenses like they're currently doing in the Kharkiv offensive.

Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by rjzzleep on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @12:32PM (#32997633)
Ukraine has had 7. There's literally no one left to fight. Most EU countries populations had a willingness of under 20% to sign up for war. The next biggest "European" army is Turkey and they will certainly not fight Russia for you.

"A new poll suggests Americans are growing weary as the US supports Ukraine in its war against Russia."[1]

I think it's time you put your evil/good ideology aside and face the reality that most economic publications have admitted by now that Russia has by all accounts won the economic war and that there is absolutely no way that Ukraine(which is by the way in default, the US taxpayer is paying people in public office in Ukraine just like they did in Afghanistan before it collapsed) can win the war.

[1] https://www.businessinsider.com/new-poll-signals-americans-a...

Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by jonnybgood on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @12:37PM (#32997694)
7 drafts? Their country is being invaded. If there isn't anyone left to fight, why hasn't Russia taken Kiev yet? Why did Russia lose Kharkiv? Who is Russia fighting?
Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by rjzzleep on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @12:55PM (#32997942)
Why would they? Controlling a population that is hostile towards you is an absolute nightmare. Americans should know, they tried it many times. So did the Soviets and it never worked out. Kiev's population has a Russian minority of less then 15% while in the eastern two breakaway republics the majority is. Have you ever looked at a map of Ukraine?

The problem with people like you is that you don't actually listen. You don't really have to agree with what the other side says, but you should at least listen instead of just believing what you want to believe and what the voice inside of your own head says.

Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by datameta on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @01:57PM (#32998785)
Were you paying any attention at the beginning? Russia attempted a capitulation strike aimed at Kiev from the north and northeast (including an airborne operation) at the same time as starting a shock and awe campaign with ballistic and cruise missiles against every major and regional city.

That was their grand plan. Take Kyiv in 3 days and subjugate the populace which is >90% hostile to you. Absolute madness. Dictator syndrome to the fullest. Only a chain of lies going to the top could have led Putin to believe it was possible.

Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by dvfjsdhgfv on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @11:54AM (#32997030)
> The rhetoric around this war is too hot

In your opinion, what would be adequate rhetoric around a war?

Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by bigtex88 on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @11:55AM (#32997049)
> I'm not sure what world you live in but the majority of the global population is by all accounts on Russia's side albeit silently.

This is one of the most insane things I've read on the internet today, and that's saying something. I'm sure that most of the "global population" is on the side of a genocidal psychopath who thinks that imperialism and wars for territory are still OK.

The modern world has moved past this, and past you. Please educate yourself or stfu.

Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by dvfjsdhgfv on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @11:50AM (#32996966)
> I'm not sure what world you live in but the majority of the global population is by all accounts on Russia's side.

Would you be able to back up this claim? I haven't seen any signs of support from Russia. Even China says Putin should try to solve the problem with diplomatic means. And India tells him it's not a time for war. I heard the leader of Nigeria supports Putin but I don't know if it's confirmed.

Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by boeingUH60 on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @12:41PM (#32997760)
>I heard the leader of Nigeria supports Putin but I don't know if it's confirmed.

I'm Nigerian...This isn't true (even though our current leader is an oaf). Most African countries aren't supporting Russia...they're just not actively opposing them, and for the right reasons. We're too poor to attempt any sanctions, and we'll rather maintain as much trade as we can with any country.

It'll be dumb for countries whose economies are in shambles to enact sanctions against Russia like the rich western countries that can afford to weather economic pain in the short term.

Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by aiilns on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @04:49PM (#33000913)
...enter Greece.
Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by thatguy0900 on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @11:31AM (#32996659)
If there's one thing I really want out of an afterlife it would be access to an objective history book. It would be so fun to compare to our history
Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by dvfjsdhgfv on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @11:44AM (#32996864)
I have this conversation often with my Russian friends. Usually it goes like this:

- Ukrainians provoked this war because they were shelling Donbas for 8 years killing many people!

- You realize they wouldn't shell anyone if Putin hadn't started the war in 2014, right?

Sometimes they also argue that after the Euromaidan the Russian population felt "threatened" (which is not true BTW). To which I reply that most of these people are either refugees or dead now.

Sometimes they even use the official argument made by Putin that he had to start the war otherwise Ukraine would join NATO. Which is one of the most absurd arguments as Ukraine was repeatedly refused NATO membership and even joining the EU was considered a very delicate affair. Even now, when the cards are on the table, nobody is treating Ukarine's membership in NATO seriously - Zelenski realizes the future of his nation will be Israel-like, focused on external and internal security backed up by Western allies.

Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by newtritious on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @11:33AM (#32996695)
I guess none of this is Putin’s fault. Let’s blame Apple instead.
Re:Apple removed all VK and Mail.ru applications from the Ap... by bigtex88 on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @11:53AM (#32997003)
Oh no you're one of them. How do those boots taste Mr Fascist?