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Re:Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy by thriftwy on Friday September 16, 2022 @04:54AM (#32863791)
How come they get to keep money for the service not provided? Should be strictly illegal.
Re:Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy by wodenokoto on Friday September 16, 2022 @05:08AM (#32863873)
It probably is, but not all jurisdictions have a small claims court and even those that do, it can be quite cumbersome compared to the lost money
Re:Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy by quickthrower2 on Friday September 16, 2022 @07:57AM (#32864899)
Small claims are designed to be quite easy, and almost free. (You might have to spend money on registered mail). Worth it for a gripe. I was prepared to do this for a hotel refund, where they were going to charge 20% cancellation fee where I saw that in local law, while there is no set max fee, it should be just to cover reasonable costs.

I looked into it and while a hassle it is on par with renewing your car insurance level of hassle (so some hassle, but doable, a "side project"). And worth it for the "stick it to the man" factor. In the end I got it almost all back by being nice, so no need.

In addition to small claims, there are credit card charge backs.

Re:Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy by kelnos on Friday September 16, 2022 @06:28AM (#32864336)
And if you do it, Facebook will probably retaliate by permanently closing your account.
Re:Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy by philipov on Friday September 16, 2022 @09:17AM (#32865693)
In the case in question, Facebook began by permanently closing the account in a capricious and unprovoked attack. Retaliation is irrelevent: Facebook is an aggressor.
Re:Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy by sgjohnson on Friday September 16, 2022 @07:32AM (#32864729)
I'd really like to see this. And after that I'd like to see a jury hit Facebook with 12 figures in punitive damages in a class action case.
Re:Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy by michaelmrose on Friday September 16, 2022 @08:07AM (#32865003)
There has been one 12 figure judgement in history and it was from big tobacco lying about the danger of their product which has killed millions of people over decades.

In this situation there would be no judgement because there is no right to have a facebook account therefore they can close your account because they don't like your face or indeed because you sued them. Why would you imagine that a jury would basically award you all facebook's money because they closed your account? Yes sir Mr soandso they were clearly jerks I award you Facebook now try not to be as big a jerk as Zuck and good day to you!

Re:Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy by quickthrower2 on Friday September 16, 2022 @08:02AM (#32864943)
Doesn't FB have the right to not do business with you? What is the basis for the suit?

Anyway I do remember FB's "a cool "open source" way to do front-end development, feel "free" to use it, you can't sue us though". So maybe there is some shitty clause like that when you sign up.

Re:Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy by sgjohnson on Friday September 16, 2022 @08:44AM (#32865366)
> What is the basis for the suit?

Withholding your money and then when you (rightfully) sue them for that, retaliating and kicking you off the platform entirely?

Re:Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy by hoppla on Friday September 16, 2022 @12:03PM (#32868078)
Was it not a clause in the react js or so, that you lose the right to use the framework if you sued Facebook?
Re:Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy by sgjohnson on Friday September 16, 2022 @12:26PM (#32868436)
React is MIT licensed, so no.
Re:Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy by yamtaddle on Friday September 16, 2022 @12:56PM (#32868910)
> Was it not a clause in the react js or so, that you lose the right to use the framework if you sued Facebook?

This is true (if we take "was" literally). Though IIRC it was only if you sued them over patents.

> React is MIT licensed

And this is also true (now).

Re:Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy by codingdave on Friday September 16, 2022 @09:04AM (#32865547)
Criminal cases do not go to small claims court. If you sue them in a civil case, yes, that could be small claims, but if you convince a prosecutor to charge them criminally, it is a completely different legal process.
Re:Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy by actionfromafar on Friday September 16, 2022 @05:09AM (#32863880)
You can probably go to arbitration, which you agreed to. This is what companies often require in their terms of service. It's going to be costly for one of the parties.
Re:Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy by ticviking on Friday September 16, 2022 @07:39AM (#32864759)
I really wish more of us used that system. The laws involved aren’t perfect but they’re better than trying to get a response from their non-existent customer support systems.

I believe that in many states the company that demanded arbitration has to bear the costs also.

Re:Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy by z9znz on Friday September 16, 2022 @01:05PM (#32869017)
Terms of service probably have a clause which says that if you violate their policies you forfeit your expenditures.
Re:Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy by pc86 on Friday September 16, 2022 @09:14AM (#32865654)
It is, and they don't. FB ads are charged in arrears, no money would have been kept for ads not displayed. The GP is misinformed (at best).