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Re:Nintendo escaped the console war. Now Microsoft and Sony ... by mikestew on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @11:56AM (#32825990)
Let's watch as Microsoft and Sony completetly miss the point that this article makes. Where Nintendo is making bank with fun-to-play games (Splatoon being the example in TFA), MS and Sony will be holding meetings to brainstorm how better to monetize loot boxes. One company seems to emphasize making fun games for me to play, two other companies emphasize extracting more money from my pocket and hopefully the game is enough fun to play to keep those dollars flowing.

I guess the point I'm driving at is, though I was always a cow to be milked, the last couple versions of Call of Duty (as just one example) have made it way too obvious now. In contrast to a first-party Nintendo game that just lets me play the game I bought.

Re:Nintendo escaped the console war. Now Microsoft and Sony ... by spywaregorilla on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @01:12PM (#32827207)
Nintendo, and seemingly evermore monolith soft, are incredibly talented when it comes to games. But even forgetting monetization, they clearly focus on making games that seem fun. Whereas most other companies make games that want to be popular or cool. Nintendo doesn't have much competition in this space for no particularly good reason. Some indies dip their toes in it but it often falls into a level of self deprecation that I think harms the experience.

Mario himself seems to have a lot fun jumping around and its pretty infectious. Link (mostly), Splatoon inklings, animal crossing villagers, pokemon, and kirby do too. I don't think I can name any major titles on Xbox or Playstation where the characters' primary emotion is joy.

Re:Nintendo escaped the console war. Now Microsoft and Sony ... by bitwize on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @03:34PM (#32829198)
Mario's movement is an odd design. He runs like a hyperactive toddler, his arms flailing out to the sides. But his other moves, especially his advanced jumps, he does with the precision and grace of a gymnast. It's like a simultaneous expression of the fantasy of navigating the terrain through acrobatics and "weee, this is fun!" spontaneous whimsy.

If you look closely enough, Nintendo design is oddball, but very purposeful.

Re:Nintendo escaped the console war. Now Microsoft and Sony ... by ouid on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @02:40PM (#32828509)
Crash Bandicoot, but that's from the good times. He does regularly die horribly though.
Re:Nintendo escaped the console war. Now Microsoft and Sony ... by impulser_ on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @03:09PM (#32828891)
I don't think you know Sony.

Sony has been making tons of fun games to play with zero loot boxes in the game.

God of War, Last of Us, Uncharted, Spider-Man, Ghost of Tsushima, and Horizon are all top selling videos games in the past few years and all of them contain zero loot boxes.

All of them are highly loved video games as well.

Sony spent the last few decades buying gaming studio to make fun games for them. Almost all of them have nothing to do with loot boxes.

Re:Nintendo escaped the console war. Now Microsoft and Sony ... by mikestew on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @04:06PM (#32829564)
I don't think you know Sony.

I think it more a problem of me letting the article dictate the terms of the discussion. Did Microsoft publish my whipping boy Call of Duty? Of course not, one can play CoD on a Playstation just as well, and any undesirable traits of the game lie at the feet of Activision.

It might be more accurate to bitch about Xbox Game Pass and the like, as there seems to be a hard push to just rent your access to games with a monthly payment. Or the acquisition of studios (as TFA makes a point of) so that $COMPANY has exlusive access to $HOT_GAME.

Re:Nintendo escaped the console war. Now Microsoft and Sony ... by nickv on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @05:15PM (#32830264)
Dude, Game Pass is spectacular and completely optional. Want to pay $15/mo and have access to basically every game that exists for the Xbox (including $79 games on launch), sign up for it. Want to still buy the games and own them for $79? You can do that too.

Also, your last sentence about exclusivity is a really strange point when comparing to Nintendo - which literally only does that. (And has extremely vicious customer unfriendly pricing. Breath of the Wild is still $60 5 years later).

Re:Nintendo escaped the console war. Now Microsoft and Sony ... by haunter on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @03:29PM (#32829143)
>extracting more money from my pocket and hopefully the game is enough fun to play to keep those dollars flowing

Yet Nintendo has an extensive gacha lineup like Super Mario Run, Mario Kart Tour, Pokemon GO, Animal Crossing Pocket Camp, Fire Emblem Heroes etc.

You might ignore it but don't pretend Nintendo is some holy divine protector of gaming.

Re:Nintendo escaped the console war. Now Microsoft and Sony ... by JohnFen on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @12:32PM (#32826540)
> brainstorm how better to monetize loot boxes. [...] extracting more money from my pocket and hopefully the game is enough fun to play to keep those dollars flowing.

This is one of the three major things that drove me away from gaming almost entirely over a decade ago.

Re:Nintendo escaped the console war. Now Microsoft and Sony ... by otikik on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @12:18PM (#32826345)
> brainstorm how better to monetize loot boxes.

(some exec) I know! NFTs and the blockchain!

Re:Nintendo escaped the console war. Now Microsoft and Sony ... by nickv on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @05:06PM (#32830186)
Oh that's completely not fair. Microsoft is extremely gamer friendly.

Microsoft is sitting here with Game Pass giving people unlimited access to most games in their catalog for $15/mo including 0-day access to their biggest releases. Better yet, they do this cross platform so you can play them anywhere and keep your data in sync. And, if you don't want to subscribe to game pass you can STILL buy the games.

Meanwhile, Nintendo literally charges $59.99 for games released in early 2017.

Re:Nintendo escaped the console war. Now Microsoft and Sony ... by kirbys-memeteam on Tuesday September 13, 2022 @12:07PM (#32826163)
Nintendo sells tools, Sony and Microsoft offer a network of repairmen who will come to your house for a scheduled visit. Yes, they’re both very similar as to what is accomplished by the end of the process, but one of them is satisfied to sell you a tool whereas the other wants the tool to be part of other things… not hard to see why most people who want a tool don’t use their service when they don’t want a service at all.