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Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by maerF0x0 on Thursday September 08, 2022 @10:59AM (#32766581)
ELI5: wouldn't a large proportion of USA's lawmaker's have ties with a Christian church?

Sorry for being uninformed, but why is this an issue?

Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by warabe on Thursday September 08, 2022 @11:27AM (#32767006)
1. they have caused a variety of social problems, including dozens of civil and criminal lawsuits

2. they have close ties to North Korea. When they met with North Korean leader Kim, it is estimated that as much as $4.5 billion was given to North Korea as donations. This means that the Unification Church is also part of the source of funds for North Korea's nuclear missiles.

3. The Unification Church's doctrine is very anti-Japanese and Korean nationalismistic. For example, according to their dogma, Japan, as an Eva country, must devote all of its wealth to Korea, and the language of all nations must be unified in Korean, etc. Please note that these anti-Japanese doctrine has actually caused damage like high donations.

After all, from the Japanese perspective, the Unification Church's problem is not just a religious issue, but also a security threat.

Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by chrischen on Thursday September 08, 2022 @11:49AM (#32767342)
Isn't it odd that a nationalist Japanese politician was associated with a nationalist Korean group?
Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by pasabagi on Thursday September 08, 2022 @12:02PM (#32767526)
The history is even weirder: check out the story of Kishi Nobusuke[0], the class A war crimminal who brought the Unification Church into the Japanese political mainstream. Also the Yakuza. Also he's Abe's grandad.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobusuke_Kishi

Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by kmeisthax on Thursday September 08, 2022 @12:29PM (#32767913)
Yes and no. It is odd only in the sense that the actions contradict the rhetoric. But both parties are still achieving their own goals and the cooperation does not cancel out that goal.

We often think of nationalism purely as the dark side of in-group/out-group dynamics scaled up to the size of an entire country. They are, but there's a dark, darker, yet darker side to this. The driving force behind those dynamics is a desire to purge the in-group of perceived weakness. There are plenty of reasons for a Korean person to hate Japanese people, or vice versa, but the reason that nationalists will consistently pick is that the out-group is "inferior". War crimes, national insults, and so on are all just window-dressing to that core claim.

This same dynamic also applies to things you would not consider to be even in the same postal code as right-wing nationalism. Think about how much self-policing and internal policing happens in niche subcultures online to purge them of perceived weakness, and how many of the perpetrators of those purges are not much different from their targets. Nationalists care more about punishing their own citizens than fighting the enemy.

Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by warabe on Thursday September 08, 2022 @12:04PM (#32767566)
Sun Myung Moon used fight against communism as a tool to establish a close relationship with LDP. Please refer to the article by Asahi shinbun. https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14693688 Kishi Nobusuke, Shinzo Abe's grandfather, and Sun Myung Moon together found IFVC(International Federation for Victory over Communism).

Long story short, Japanese politicians should have known better.

Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by stevenwoo on Thursday September 08, 2022 @11:57AM (#32767454)
I scoured articles trying to understand this, too! Is it simply the intersection of money/free volunteer labor and politics where money just wins?

On the other hand we have something similar in the USA so who am I to judge? :)

One party in our two party system appears to have lots of Russian connections now for some reason, and this does not bother most of their supporters which has approximately 45-50 percent of the population behind it. In past years this would have led to claims about treason or something similar from the same party, the path from Nixon to now it appears the only change has been how public the cooperation between the GOP leadership and countries openly antagonistic to the USA, i.e. Nixon/Kissinger with North Vietnam, Reagan/Bush with Iran and Trump with Russia.

Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by Apocryphon on Thursday September 08, 2022 @12:03PM (#32767551)
It made more sense during the Cold War because they were all very anti-communist, no idea when and why the Unification Church is now supportive of North Korea.
Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by masterof0 on Thursday September 08, 2022 @11:35AM (#32767134)
1. Roe v Wade?

2. There are many evangelical churches in the US that send money to dictatorships, for example, [1], [2] , I can collect you a longer list.

3. This point is clearly very specific to Japan, I can't find a bijection within a few minutes.

But, we aren't that different , really.

1. https://nnoc.org/pastors-for-peace-continue-support-to-cuba/

2. https://juicyecumenism.com/2019/11/13/churches-supporting-ve...

Edit: Spacing

Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by endominus on Thursday September 08, 2022 @11:55AM (#32767421)
The bijection you are looking for might be the evangelical groups in the US (including some politicians) who support Israel because they believe that if all jews return there, the eschaton will begin. Think what you will about their goals, it is difficult to reconcile the literal apocalypse as "good for America."
Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by Extra_Leaf on Thursday September 08, 2022 @12:49PM (#32768216)
>[1] The church is pretty small only making up about 27 people and was mainly sending medical supply's and food to the island not funding what you may call a "dictatorships" They were mostly advocating for the us to remove its blockade on cube and reestablish relations with the island

>[2] more of the same just church's sending aid to a country that's in economic turmoil the article title is blatant fear mongering

Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by masterof0 on Thursday September 08, 2022 @03:23PM (#32770713)
If you understand how Cuba works, you will get why this is the same as funding the government, not the people. The blockade in Cuba is more internal than external. There is plenty of resources online that shows the human rights violations, persecution, murders and incarcerations, the Cuban regimen have been doing for decades, and continue doing.
Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by warabe on Thursday September 08, 2022 @11:58AM (#32767478)
3. Yes, this is very unique problem in Japan and that's why it is difficult to see this issue.

> But, we aren't that different , really.

I am not sure if I understand your point. Both U.S. and Japan have relatively loose regulation against cult groups, but as a Japanese citizen, I think this situation should be changed.

Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by bluepizza on Thursday September 08, 2022 @01:18PM (#32768598)
The fact that we aren't that different does not negate the fact that the problem needs to be solved.
Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by masterof0 on Thursday September 08, 2022 @03:25PM (#32770732)
I agree, I was just suggesting is not that different. The problem should be addressed in both places.
Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by photochemsyn on Thursday September 08, 2022 @11:41AM (#32767233)
I think a decent historical model would be the relationship between Spain's fascist government under Generalísimo Francisco Franco and the Opus Dei sect founded by Josemaría Escrivá:

> "Many newly published Spanish history textbooks agree that the Opus Dei had a strong influence in the Franco regime. Moreover, Opus Dei developed itself in its early days during the Franco regime. According to these books, Opus Dei was not only linked but also tightly interwoven with the power structures of the Francoist authoritarian government soon after the Spanish Civil War, although its stronger involvement in the government came only in the late 1950s. It had at least 8 ministers during Franco's rule. This was in keeping with the organization's aim of influencing the development of society indirectly..."

https://www.primidi.com/opus_dei_and_politics/francisco_fran...

Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by ziftface on Thursday September 08, 2022 @11:03AM (#32766626)
It's a cult. I think it would be more akin to a large portion of American lawmakers being ties with Scientology.
Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by YeahNO on Thursday September 08, 2022 @11:15AM (#32766808)
One person's established religion is just someone else's cult. They all engage in indoctrination and belief in magical thinking with absolutely no proof in the existence of its deity or deities.
Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by hn_throwaway_99 on Thursday September 08, 2022 @11:33AM (#32767096)
Semi-agree, but I think there are 2 fundamental differences between established religions and cults:

1. Complete shunning of non-cult members, and even harsher shunning of ex-members. This one may be a gray area, as certainly many religions identify all members of other religions as "going to hell", and I know Mormons who have been excommunicated for being gay. Still, the level of ostracism in mainstream religions is nothing compared to, for example, what happens if you try to leave Scientology. Scientologists declare you a "subversive person", stalk you, and essentially try to ruin you. I know many folks who have left the Catholic church, but in all honestly the Catholic church still tries to welcome them back with open arms.

2. Be secretive about the details of the cult before you are "bought in". Say what you will about organized religion, but it's pretty trivial to get the full text of the Bible, Koran, and other religious writings. Meanwhile, Scientology requires you to pay thousands and thousands of dollars to slowly get access to their screeds, and they have gone after ex-members who have attempted to publish this information.

Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by pessimizer on Thursday September 08, 2022 @02:05PM (#32769404)
These have nothing to do with being "established religions." As you said, Mormons shun. Many Muslim groups advocate killing apostates. It might be trivial to get a copy of the Bible, but the vast majority of how e.g. the Catholic Church runs is not drawn from the Bible using the most obvious interpretation, and is not shared with laymen - the Bible is not an IKEA instruction manual.

Also Mormonism is not particularly old. Mainstream evangelical/charismatic Protestantism was formed completely from storefront Pentecostalism in the early part of the 20c, making it barely older than Scientology or even the Nation of Islam. Scientology isn't bad because it's not "established," it's bad because it hurts people.

Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by Bakary on Thursday September 08, 2022 @11:11PM (#32774863)
Mormonism is in a transitionary phase between Scientology and more established religions. It is taken seriously but still has a aura of non-seriousness about it. Scientology will probably reach that stage once it matures, but it will take a few generations still.
Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by knodi123 on Thursday September 08, 2022 @12:50PM (#32768219)
> Still, the level of ostracism in mainstream religions is nothing compared to, for example, what happens if you try to leave Scientology.

Worldwide, a majority of muslims support the idea of a death penalty for apostasy (renouncing the religion).

Defining a cult is a lot harder than it sounds at first glance. My personal definition, which is not very useful since it's so subjective, is "A cult is a new religion formed on purpose by a charismatic person who is knowingly lying in order to gain temporal power."

Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by wahnfrieden on Thursday September 08, 2022 @12:20PM (#32767780)
seems odd to not acknowledge how the non-secretive nature of modern christian religion is such a recent (technological and social) development and still holds some fringe controversy at similar levels as these other extreme cults
Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by the_af on Thursday September 08, 2022 @11:40AM (#32767214)
Yes in the sense that all religion has a dose of magical thinking, but not in the sense that cults are a specific set of practices that set them aside from mainstream religion.

Shunning of members, cutting ties to non-cult people, taking over the finances of their members (and forcing them to donate).

There are some gray areas and some mainstream congregations can cross into cult-like behavior, but in general, there is a demarcation.

Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by castrodd on Thursday September 08, 2022 @11:20AM (#32766881)
I agree with you. But all churches start as cults. Romans viewed Christians the same way most Americans view Scientologists. Actually, Romans killed Christians, so probably they viewed them a tad bit worse.
Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by colinmhayes on Thursday September 08, 2022 @11:35AM (#32767122)
The difference is that Christianity has a huge amount of buy in among the American people. The unification church can’t really say the same about the Japanese people, and in some ways in antithetical to the LDPs nationalistic politics since the church is run by Koreans.
Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by bnralt on Thursday September 08, 2022 @11:39AM (#32767198)
It's worth pointing out that American lawmakers also have ties with the Unification Church. A couple of decades ago its founder, Sun Myung Moon, actually had a coronation in a U.S. Senate office building that was attended by numerous U.S. Senators and Congressmembers. He was declared humanity's messiah in the ceremony:

> Mr. Davis says he held the wife's crown and was ''a bit surprised'' by Mr. Moon's Messiah remarks, which were delivered in Korean but accompanied by a written translation. In them, he said emperors, kings and presidents had ''declared to all heaven and earth that Reverend Sun Myung Moon is none other than humanity's Savior, Messiah, Returning Lord and True Parent.''

> By Wednesday, after news of the event had been reported in the online magazine Salon and various newspapers, Capitol Hill was in full-blown backpedaling mode, as lawmakers who attended but missed the coronation -- or saw it and did not think much of it -- struggled to explain themselves.

The Washington Times, a conservative D.C. newspaper that has many prominent conservatives on its staff (Tony Blankly, Larry Kudlow, Tony Snow) was also founded by Sun Myung Moon and owned by the Unification Church[2].

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/24/us/a-crowning-at-the-capi... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/sun-myung-...

Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by coliveira on Thursday September 08, 2022 @11:20AM (#32766882)
Christianity was a cult during the Roman empire. The only difference is the reach of these religious entities.
Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by the_af on Thursday September 08, 2022 @11:43AM (#32767260)
Agreed about Christianity, disagreed that it's the only difference.

There is a set of cult-like behavior that distinguishes modern cults from mainstream established religions. Those practices are an important distinction.

Also, the mindset required to join a fringe or secretive cult today that shuns the rest of society, and is shunned by society in turn, seems relevant to me.

Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by badRNG on Thursday September 08, 2022 @11:17AM (#32766837)
What exactly separates a "cult" from any other church? It seems that the word is often lobbed against minority religions that either aren't mainstream (or somehow related to mainstream religions), are recent in origin, or are viewed as eccentric or peculiar.

There are truly damaging religious groups, but this doesn't seem to be what is referenced by the word cult. It seems to be used more often to describe religions that are unconnected (or less connected) to religions considered "normal" like Christianity, Islam, etc.

Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by Mountain_Skies on Thursday September 08, 2022 @11:30AM (#32767055)
While I won't suggest this is society's distinction between the two, in my mind it's about what happens if you exert independent thought that conflicts with the institution's beliefs and what happens if you attempt to leave the group. Many ex-Mormons claim their former church is a cult and that life in Mormon dominated areas become very difficult for those who have left the faith. Same for Jehovah's Witness but the impact is smaller because not many areas are dominated by them and you don't have to move far to get away from it. On the other hand, the worst cults will hunt you down across the country (and possibly the Earth) if your existence is offensive enough to them, which isn't something typically seen when leaving a mainstream Christian religion. A Mormon in Alabama leaving the church isn't likely to face much social ostracism while a Southern Baptist might, especially if they reject Christianity entirely, but their life isn't likely to be in danger.
Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by Beltalowda on Thursday September 08, 2022 @12:41PM (#32768098)
Lifted from Wikipedia:

"[H]is mother had given the church about 100 million yen (US$720,000), a parcel of land she had inherited from her father, and the house where she lived with her three children; she subsequently declared bankruptcy in 2002. She had continued donating to the church following the bankruptcy. A male relative later recalled being contacted by Yamagami and his siblings to complain that they had no food at home, prompting the relative to deliver meals and money for living expenses. [..] Yamagami's older brother, who had a longtime struggle with cancer, was not able to afford medical treatment; he died by suicide in 2015."

To me, that sounds quite a bit worse than your average Christian church.

There are certainly some predatory Christian hucksters out there; people like Kenneth "I need my private jet to spread the gospel" Copeland spring to mind, but there are many more (as well as many more abusive ones). Religion is often a comparatively "easy" target for abuse.

However, the religion of Christianity as a whole isn't centred around the concept of "send me your money". I think that's the main difference: is the religion as a whole primarily centred around abuse, or is it just various groups within the religion that operate like that?

There are plenty of cults within Christianity, but Christianity as a whole?

I'm sure there are more formal and academic descriptions, and things can become a bit tricky around the edges for sure, but I find "is it primarily centred around abuse of its members?" to be a reasonably workable every-day distinction.

Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by Algent on Thursday September 08, 2022 @11:23AM (#32766928)
> What exactly separates a "cult" from any other church?

Usually the difference between a cult and a sect is how hard it is to leave it. church more usually define practice of the "established religions" or as long as it stay close enough to it.

Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by nradov on Thursday September 08, 2022 @12:45PM (#32768155)
Islam is usually considered an established religion. And yet in some countries run by extremist fundamentalists, apostasy is literally punishable by death.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam?wprov=sfla1

Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by singlow on Thursday September 08, 2022 @12:04PM (#32767561)
I think in this case it would be more similar if all of the party members were part of the same minority denomination. While most U.S. polititions are Christian, they are members of mostly independent churches that are organized into separate denominations. That is one reason that we have generally been wary of Catholic politicians - because we don't want our government to be under the influence of the Pope.
Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by pessimizer on Thursday September 08, 2022 @01:56PM (#32769240)
But plenty of them have connections to weird cults, also, due to the US largely being (especially in governance) a Protestant country. Protestantism isn't a religion, it's thousands of religions, each having between 1 and 100 leaders with constituencies between the size of a family or the population of a state.

For example, H. Clinton's relationship with The Family http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family_(Christian_political... or Amy Coney Barrett's People of Praise https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_of_Praise.

American lawmakers are at least as if not more religiously bizarre than Japanese ones.

Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by Rackedup on Thursday September 08, 2022 @12:52PM (#32768239)
Christianity is kind of a cult too, just more popular.
Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by encody on Thursday September 08, 2022 @02:50PM (#32770234)
You're technically correct, but I think that's a different definition of the word "cult" from the colloquial, and from what is being used above. Wikipedia's definition describes a cult as "unusual," "socially deviant," and "novel." I don't think Christianity fits that description in America.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult

Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by pessimizer on Thursday September 08, 2022 @04:48PM (#32771902)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charismatic_Christianity

ususual: a tenth of the world's population, but probably a third of the US population.

socially deviant: a matter of opinion.

novel: I've got books that are older.

> With traditions of Pentecostalism already developed in the 18th century out of Protestant evangelicalism, the beginning of the charismatic movement in historic Christian Churches came in 1960 at St. Mark's Episcopal Church in Van Nuys, California. Dennis Bennett, the church's Rector, felt the Holy Spirit within him and announced the event to his Anglican church.

> The charismatic movement reached Lutherans and Presbyterians in 1962. Among Roman Catholics, it spread around 1967. Methodists became involved in the charismatic movement in the 1970s.

> Some nondenominational evangelical churches decided to follow this movement and take distance from their Pentecostal conventions. Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa, California is one of the first evangelical neo-charismatic churches started in 1965. In the United Kingdom, Jesus Army, founded in 1969, is an example of the impact outside of the United States. The spread of the charismatic movement outside of the US was also encouraged by Bennett, who traveled to Vancouver to minister there. Many other congregations were established in the rest of the world. Modern churches internationally have embraced the charismatic movement or adapted their own practices to incorporate it. In the United Kingdom, the house church movement has grown to include charismatic practices. Hillsong Church in Australia is another example of a Pentecostal church that incorporates the charismatic movement. The neo-charismatic movement, also known as the third-wave, has also spread widely since 1970; these churches often reject the charismatic or Pentecostal label but accept the general practice of accepting gifts of the Spirit.

> Some scholars attribute the quick and successful spread of charismatic Christianity to its successful use of mass media platforms, but also to the physical experience of religion that it provides, which creates a personal connection to spiritual mediation for believers.

Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by HereIGoAgain on Thursday September 08, 2022 @05:40PM (#32772446)
America =/= the rest of the world

That was a pretty underhanded attempt it twisting the facts to fit a narrative.

Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by pessimizer on Thursday September 08, 2022 @07:52PM (#32773612)
I don't know how to not be underhanded if mentioning that it applies to 1/3 of Americans in the second line of my comment is somehow sneaky, but thanks for ignoring 90% of the comment entirely. My grandfather has hats older than charismatic Christianity.
Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by flanbiscuit on Thursday September 08, 2022 @11:39AM (#32767190)
In the US we have many people who are 'christian' but they do not all go to the same church. What's happening in Japan is like saying that a majority of U.S. lawmakers went specifically to Joel Olsteen's church.
Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by adultSwim on Thursday September 08, 2022 @11:26AM (#32766987)
A better comparison might be if you discovered many US politicians having ties to Wahhabi mosques set up by Saudi intelligence.

Note: I do not in any way support anti-Islam sentiment. Just making up an example of a newer foreign religious community.

Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by themaninthedark on Thursday September 08, 2022 @11:36AM (#32767147)
I was just about to make this analogy but it would be more akin to the mosques having ties to Iran, a state with nuclear ambitions and leadership that is hostile to the US, as opposed to Saudi Arabia where they don't have nuclear ambitions(that I know of) and the leadership is at least friendly with our leaders even if significant parts of the population may not be.

Edit to add the same disclaimer the parent has: Note: I do not in any way support anti-Islam sentiment.

Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by 8note on Thursday September 08, 2022 @02:22PM (#32769705)
You could spin it around even further to say there's a bunch of Canadian politicians with ties to evangelical american churches.

America fits the bill as a country with nuclear ambitions, and has done plenty of unfavourable trade shenanigans that said politicians have let slide

Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by themaninthedark on Thursday September 08, 2022 @09:06PM (#32774085)
America as a county does not have nuclear ambitions, we already have nuclear weapons and delivery mechanisms.

The phrase nuclear ambitions refers to a country that does not have nuclear weapons and a way to deliver them but want to obtain them, hence ambition.

If you are against nuclear proliferation, you want countries to stop developing and creating nuclear weapons.

Iran is used in this case as a foil for North Korea as they are both signors to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons; Iran(1970), North Korea(1985).

Both countries have continued to work to develop nuclear weapons, with North Korea having conducted successful nuclear tests.

Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by vorpalhex on Thursday September 08, 2022 @11:10AM (#32766737)
Imagine if 50% of US lawmakers had deep intimate connections with the Mormons or Scientologists.
Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by jakeinspace on Thursday September 08, 2022 @11:25AM (#32766967)
Well, in Utah I imagine that’s the case.
Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by vorpalhex on Thursday September 08, 2022 @03:27PM (#32770776)
As a politician, it is not desirable to be connected to the Mormon church (they want to put their finger on the scales, you have to tithe a lot, etc).

You want the credentials but not the cost, or you end up in a very hard balancing act with a lot of internal politics.

There are Mormon politicians in Utah - but not as many as you would think. It looks like currently three Utah districts have Mormon reps.

Locally you may see a lot more Mormons as the political balancing act is overall easier.

Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by pessimizer on Thursday September 08, 2022 @02:09PM (#32769475)
In Utah that situation would have majority popular support.
Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by 1270018080 on Thursday September 08, 2022 @12:32PM (#32767968)
I really can't see majors differences between socially conservative evangelical Christians and those other groups, if we're talking the harm they can cause politically.
Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by welshwelsh on Thursday September 08, 2022 @01:17PM (#32768573)
There's no difference, it's just that evangelical cults are much bigger and more accepted in the US.
Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by vorpalhex on Thursday September 08, 2022 @03:20PM (#32770662)
There's basically a single meaningful Evangelical cult in the US and it is mostly genealogical (ergo tiny). They also have a big population center in Mexico oddly enough (or did a few years ago, but there was a cartel massacre of them so they may have left).
Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by vorpalhex on Thursday September 08, 2022 @03:18PM (#32770639)
This is the "everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi" problem.

Evangelicals are distinct from cults. You may dislike both, in the same way you can dislike peanut butter and chocolate, but that doesn't mean they are the same or identical.

(There are also Evangelical cults but that is a small percentage of Evangelicals)

Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by MomoXenosaga on Thursday September 08, 2022 @01:03PM (#32768396)
It's easier to make fun of other countries.

If memory serves Jesus said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Americans in particular should not even be allowed to look at stones.

Re:Half of Japan's LDP lawmakers had ties with Unification C... by adultSwim on Thursday September 08, 2022 @11:26AM (#32766991)
Moonies have had influence in both Korea and Japan. This is a big deal as Korea harbors strong anti-Japanese sentiment, due to Japan's brutal occupation of Korea. If I was Korean, I could imagine feeling that these are pro-Japanese collaborators.

This is also partly why Abe was so controversial. Instead of apologizing for Japan's occupation of Korea, he repeatedly signaled a desire to return to those times.