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Re:New Zealand's plan to prepare for inevitable climate chan... by yarg on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @12:37AM (#32646675)
New Zealand swings back and forth between Labour (generally do nothing) and National (generally Christian rightish wing).

We're currently under a Labour majority (though James Shaw - the environment minister is Green).

There's a bit of a swing back toward National, hobbled in a very large part by their own incompetence, but this will go nowhere if they get back into power.

As an example of their attitudes, last time they were in it was found that basically every body of water in the country had pollution levels in excess of defined quality standards.

Their solution was to change the standards (I'm not sure if the subsequent backlash changed their minds) so that the water was no longer polluted (by definition).

Am I suggesting that we do nothing? No, but unless there's buy in from across the political spectrum (there won't be) I struggle to see how this can acheive anything.

Re:New Zealand's plan to prepare for inevitable climate chan... by squidsoup on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @01:03AM (#32646799)
That's what people said about the IRA essentially, and yet the bill passed and it will have a huge impact on Americas move towards a more sustainable future. If we want to have a future (and by we I mean humanity), we need optimism and activism, not complacency and defeatism.
Re:New Zealand's plan to prepare for inevitable climate chan... by 3np on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @02:17AM (#32647176)
OotL. What bill?
Re:New Zealand's plan to prepare for inevitable climate chan... by squidsoup on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @02:34AM (#32647288)
Re:New Zealand's plan to prepare for inevitable climate chan... by ZeroGravitas on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @04:20AM (#32647943)
A Youtube video that may be better targetted for those out of the loop:

The biggest Climate Bill of your life - But What does it do!? -- vlogbrothers

https://youtu.be/qw5zzrOpo2s

Re:New Zealand's plan to prepare for inevitable climate chan... by Nekhrimah on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @02:32AM (#32647278)
Likely the Inflation Reduction Act.
Re:New Zealand's plan to prepare for inevitable climate chan... by PostOnce on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @01:08AM (#32646818)
Labour has problems; I have problems with Labour's paternalism and fetish for a nanny-state, but I would never accuse them of "generally doing nothing".

For example, Labour banned guns, insulated and ventilated cold/moldy rental homes, vaccinated >90% of the population (while simultaneously keeping covid at bay until that was achived), and a lot more https://old.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/wvifwk/so_what_...

They also embarked on a massive program to fix the water quality issues you mentioned https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Waters_reform_programme

So, nannies they may be, layabouts they are not.

Re:New Zealand's plan to prepare for inevitable climate chan... by phyalow on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @01:58AM (#32647081)
What about the substantial growth in Child poverty, massive inflation, lack of housing stock growth (kiwibuild has delivered less than 5% of what was promised) etc. Labour may not be layabouts, but they are a group of busy idiots.
Re:New Zealand's plan to prepare for inevitable climate chan... by PostOnce on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @05:02AM (#32648172)
Does it not make very little sense to blame inflation on this particular government when every nation is suffering inflation in the wake of a barely-mitigated global pandemic?

Does it not follow that when inflation strikes, poverty increases, because the same wages buy less food? And have Labour not acted strongly against the most damaging parts of poverty, with the new insulation and ventilation policies and subsidies, the winter energy payments, and the free school lunches?

We can blame Labour for many things, like failing to act quickly enough to alleviate the housing crisis, but to blame them for global inflation seems like tabloid news and not critical thought.

Re:New Zealand's plan to prepare for inevitable climate chan... by peterashford on Wednesday August 31, 2022 @04:18AM (#32659680)
Child poverty measures have gone DOWN. House building is at its highest rate since the 70s and inflation is a global phenomenon.
Re:New Zealand's plan to prepare for inevitable climate chan... by EdwardDiego on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @01:35AM (#32646971)
Banned _some_ guns. My semi-auto .22, bolt-action .308, and the .177 air rifle for my kids to plink targets are still fine and dandy.
Re:New Zealand's plan to prepare for inevitable climate chan... by PostOnce on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @02:30AM (#32647270)
Yes I'm aware and disagree with the policy, but I would still consider it "something" in contrast to "do-nothing Labour", considering the "something" in question has been a political battleground in the US for decades.

tl;dr: they banned >.22 semi-autos.

Re:New Zealand's plan to prepare for inevitable climate chan... by classabove on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @01:12AM (#32646838)
Two shots for summer.
Re:New Zealand's plan to prepare for inevitable climate chan... by creakingstairs on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @01:18AM (#32646870)
> though James Shaw - the environment minister is Green

I've always been deeply frustrated at Green's unwillingness to work with National. By playing kingmaker like NZ First did, the party would have had much more impact on the environment, had their primary focus actually been environment.

I know that this would never happen because Green is not an environmental party but an actual left wing party that a Labour should have been instead of...generally doing nothing.

Re:New Zealand's plan to prepare for inevitable climate chan... by EdwardDiego on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @01:38AM (#32646984)
It doesn't help that National won't meet the Greens even half-way on their social issues.

Or that they purged the blue-greens cos Judith Collins.

I'd like a liberal green party a la Switzerland, as the Greens are too far left for my centre-left self.

Re:New Zealand's plan to prepare for inevitable climate chan... by xupybd on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @01:42AM (#32647011)
It would be nice to be able to vote for policies and not parties.
Re:New Zealand's plan to prepare for inevitable climate chan... by pleb_nz on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @02:58AM (#32647419)
Not a lot of difference between national and labour these days IMO. Both quite centrist with just a few differences in policy and personalities here and there.
Re:New Zealand's plan to prepare for inevitable climate chan... by turnnnnnip on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @02:00AM (#32647095)
I wouldn't say National is Christian by any means.
Re:New Zealand's plan to prepare for inevitable climate chan... by lostlogin on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @02:29AM (#32647258)
Luxons maiden speech had him discussing his Christianity and he was evasive regarding abortion law change (while being anti abortion himself). His party has a Christian history and a christian conservative bent.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/former-air-nz-boss-christopher...

Re:New Zealand's plan to prepare for inevitable climate chan... by Mandatum on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @08:43AM (#32649642)
It really is. New Conservatives have cut out a large part of the die hards, but just look where wealthy National voters and MPs send their kids.
Re:New Zealand's plan to prepare for inevitable climate chan... by xupybd on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @01:03AM (#32646796)
As a Christian right winger I'd say that National doesn't represent my political views. They're much like Labour, they do very little.

I have very little hope that our government will improve no matter who is voted in. They seem determined to slowly make things worse, not matter what direction they pick.

Re:New Zealand's plan to prepare for inevitable climate chan... by plugger on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @01:15AM (#32646852)
As a non-religious part of the majority I'm happy that your religious views are no longer represented in political views, as they're a niche perspective and should not be foisted on society at large.
Re:New Zealand's plan to prepare for inevitable climate chan... by xupybd on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @01:23AM (#32646900)
I'm not advocating my views here. I'm simply stating that as a religious person I think calling National Christian right is incorrect.
Re:New Zealand's plan to prepare for inevitable climate chan... by morepork on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @01:26AM (#32646916)
Nit picking, but not quite the majority yet, last NZ census had irreligious at 48%
Re:New Zealand's plan to prepare for inevitable climate chan... by EdwardDiego on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @01:36AM (#32646974)
What's the technical term for "largest single bloc"? Because that other 52% isn't just Christian.
Re:New Zealand's plan to prepare for inevitable climate chan... by phantom_of_cato on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @01:41AM (#32647005)
Re:New Zealand's plan to prepare for inevitable climate chan... by EdwardDiego on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @01:42AM (#32647012)
Thanks!
Re:New Zealand's plan to prepare for inevitable climate chan... by kadoban on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @01:41AM (#32646999)
A "plurality" is the term for that.
Re:New Zealand's plan to prepare for inevitable climate chan... by EdwardDiego on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @01:42AM (#32647014)
Cheers!
Re:New Zealand's plan to prepare for inevitable climate chan... by refurb on Tuesday August 30, 2022 @03:55AM (#32647796)
With the exception of laws regarding religion itself (say prayer in school) almost all laws with religious supporters also have non-religious supporters. The views aren't purely "religious" in basis.