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Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by shakezula on Saturday August 27, 2022 @03:39PM (#32622386)
Years ago, I got a speeding ticket. I worked nights at the time, and the office to make the payment at had very strange hours because it was from a tiny town. My schedule made it difficult to make it over to the office during open hours, and one of the times I tried it was closed randomly over lunch because again, small town. (I learned later there was only one person who ran the whole office.)

A day after my speeding ticket payment was due, I was pulled over, arrested for driving on a suspended license (quite roughly, I might add), and hauled to jail, where they booked me, processed me, and charged me thousands upon thousands of dollars for the privilege of being arrested. The whole process was structured around profit.

It absolutely demolished my meager savings account at the time, and damn near kept me from being able to attend the code bootcamp I was enrolled in. It taught me a serious lesson about the law: They exist only for power and profit. The entire experience cost me over $3000 for a speeding ticket of 5 mph over the stated limit. I've got a nice little arrest mention on my criminal record now, though, so that's nice.

Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by illuminerdy on Saturday August 27, 2022 @08:59PM (#32624741)
> It taught me a serious lesson about the law: They exist only for power and profit.

I understand your frustration, but the law does not exist ONLY (or at all, if I'm being honest) for power and profit. The law exists to provide each person with a baseline to guide their interactions, whether it be between them and other individuals, or between them and their government.

Now, obviously you have abuses and especially when some in the government/beaurocracy find out they can get funds by abusing their authority (e.g. civil asset forfeiture), but that's not why the law exists, and it doesn't happen everywhere. That's just a symptom of a lack of oversight by we, the people (chiefly).

Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by jagtesh on Saturday August 27, 2022 @11:21PM (#32625462)
Also a clear lack of empathy. I mean, sure, the person did something wrong. But have they stopped being human? Where is the humanity in squeezing every penny out of someone already broken and poor ($250/day is more than what many Americans earn in a day). Then taking away 50% of any hope/real shot at living they have. This sounds like profiteering at their expense. (Edit: this is evil).

Jail time and a permanent record is more punishment than it sounds. It severely affects future employment, even things like renting an apartment or getting a car loan (the ubiquitous background checks are done to weed such people out).

Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by illuminerdy on Sunday August 28, 2022 @12:25AM (#32625763)
I agree that what happened to him should not have happened. But we're the ones who let this stuff happen. We're the ones who vote in the people (or neglect to vote them out) who put these policies in place.
Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by TomSwirly on Sunday August 28, 2022 @05:47AM (#32627047)
"Vote harder! The criminals who steal from you aren't to blame - you, the victim, are!"
Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by TomSwirly on Sunday August 28, 2022 @05:46AM (#32627044)
> That's just a symptom of a lack of oversight by we, the people (chiefly).

So your argument is that it is not the fault of the people who are paid to do this job, out of our tax money, but it is somehow our fault, even though your average person has literally no input whatsoever into any of this?

That's just false.

I mean, almost 90% of Americans live in a non-swing state where their vote is entirely meaningless.

Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by dennis_jeeves1 on Sunday August 28, 2022 @12:44PM (#32629774)
>I understand your frustration, but the law does not exist ONLY (or at all, if I'm being honest) for power and profit.

Sigh, another kid who has not faced life.

Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by hef19898 on Saturday August 27, 2022 @04:13PM (#32622727)
You cannot pay your tickets by wiring the money?
Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by williamscales on Saturday August 27, 2022 @04:55PM (#32623105)
No? As far as I know that is not a thing in the US. Sometimes you can pay by credit card, but that's a more recent thing.
Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by bsagdiyev on Saturday August 27, 2022 @06:30PM (#32623910)
I have always been able to pay online, over the phone or via mail for my tickets with check, cash, card, or money order. This is in two states: California and North Carolina. For anything more serious than a speeding ticket in NC is a mandatory court visit depending on severity, California has a few more things you can just pay a fine than NC afaik.
Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by pleb_nz on Saturday August 27, 2022 @04:24PM (#32622819)
Your bank app doesn't have shortcuts to pay fines and taxes?
Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by germinalphrase on Saturday August 27, 2022 @04:44PM (#32623004)
Is that a thing… anywhere?
Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by sgadimbayli on Saturday August 27, 2022 @06:26PM (#32623877)
Same in Azerbaijan, everything can be paid through banking apps. Electricity, gas, internet, mobile, fines, taxes, gov, services, couriers and so on...
Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by lostlogin on Saturday August 27, 2022 @04:48PM (#32623032)
ASB in New Zealand offer it. They have a list you can search for various things and companies, your comment prompted me to check.

Fines, taxes and some big companies appear there.

Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by mistrial9 on Saturday August 27, 2022 @05:04PM (#32623185)
I was told in the 1980s that personal finances in Australia were such.. that many independent adults did not own their own autos, but that ownership and insurance were arranged through their employer, typically a large company or government agency.
Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by AussieWog93 on Saturday August 27, 2022 @07:58PM (#32624441)
This was an old tax loophole - employees would request a leased vehicle from the employer in lieu of actual cash wages, lowering their taxable income.

It hasn't been a loophole for years (fringe benefits tax took care of that), but many older people still do it anyway.

Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by lostlogin on Saturday August 27, 2022 @05:46PM (#32623535)
That sounds quite good. There is very little about car ownership that I like - the convenience is hard to beat though.
Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by beAbU on Saturday August 27, 2022 @05:19PM (#32623320)
Yep :) it's a thing in South Africa, been able to it for more than a decade. Before that I could just go to any post office and pay the fine there.

Not taxes though. My tax is automatically deducted from my salary and paid by my employer every month. All employers do this.

Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by pleb_nz on Saturday August 27, 2022 @10:26PM (#32625203)
They do in NZ as well, but there are times when you need to pay additional taxes for some reason. E.g.earn extra income that isn't through an employer you need to declare and pay taxes on.

I guess it's for those cases you use the Pay Taxes option in my banks app. I've used it a few times and it's really useful

Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by EdwardDiego on Saturday August 27, 2022 @04:55PM (#32623106)
Yes, in NZ :)

You can also pay them by credit or debit card online, but there is a small processing fee for doing so.

Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by dzikimarian on Saturday August 27, 2022 @07:24PM (#32624248)
Yes, also police has NFC-enabled terminals, so you can deal with it on the spot. Poland.
Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by vinibrito on Saturday August 27, 2022 @06:11PM (#32623747)
Yes, in Brazil as well, for a long time now. Since bank apps started to exist actually.
Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by coldtea on Saturday August 27, 2022 @09:16PM (#32624818)
I think it's only not a thing in the US.

Even many third world countries offer that...

Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by alkz on Saturday August 27, 2022 @05:07PM (#32623216)
mostly everywhere except the us from the looks of it
Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by neurostimulant on Sunday August 28, 2022 @01:24AM (#32626003)
Our government may be a bit corrupt, but at surprisingly competent when it comes to taking money online via banking apps.
Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by presentation on Saturday August 27, 2022 @07:05PM (#32624127)
You can pay many Japanese taxes through PayPay, LINEPay and several other apps.
Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by kyriakos on Saturday August 27, 2022 @09:24PM (#32624877)
I'm more surprised this is a question in 2022
Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by pleb_nz on Saturday August 27, 2022 @09:24PM (#32624875)
Absolutely it is
Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by Ekaros on Saturday August 27, 2022 @07:24PM (#32624254)
I really value being in country where default payment method in almost any situation is simple bank transfer.
Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by ngcazz on Saturday August 27, 2022 @05:22PM (#32623348)
How is that possibly the issue here?
Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by cafard on Monday August 29, 2022 @01:00PM (#32640583)
Our most recent two tickets were from speed cameras. In both cases we sent in checks.
Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by CADAKA on Saturday August 27, 2022 @04:52PM (#32623067)
I got jailed for a DUI in the USA and I was not allowed to use debit or credit card for bail... I had to have cash... but of course the bail company was able to electronically transfer the money.

The Government want you to use cash only when it's convenient for them....

Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by 1123581321 on Saturday August 27, 2022 @05:20PM (#32623329)
That is frustrating, but when were you planning to pay? Couldn’t you have mailed it in?

Suspended license driving is anti-social. Any law with a firm cutoff or deadline, and no gradual increase of penalty, sucks for those who barely miss complying with it. There needs to be some kind of consequence, though.

Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by kaishiro on Saturday August 27, 2022 @05:53PM (#32623599)
I'd argue that the humiliation of arresting and imprisoning someone for a single speeding ticket is the only anti-social occurrence here.
Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by throwaway22032 on Saturday August 27, 2022 @05:48PM (#32623564)
Surely the antisocial thing is suspending someone's licence without telling them about it and over a 5mph speeding ticket...?
Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by coldtea on Saturday August 27, 2022 @09:18PM (#32624833)
>There needs to be some kind of consequence, though.

No, there just need to be better laws - or at least, more fit to the "crime" response.

In fact, if he was indeed "5 mph above the speed limit" he shouldn't even have been fined in the first place.

Police can and should use discretion (and they often/mostly do, this was just a shitty move in a shitty district).

Not to mention that, even given the fine was ok, there should have been an online/bank transfer way to pay...

Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by 1123581321 on Sunday August 28, 2022 @01:17AM (#32625970)
Separate issues. I said enough in my post to indicate that I am sympathetic regarding the overall situation.
Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by djbebs on Sunday August 28, 2022 @08:44AM (#32627983)
Sorry but isn't the purpose of such licensing requirements to ensure that the roads are safe?

If so, why would him having a debt to the state matter? Clearly him mailing the cash or not wouldn't change his risk profile for driving.

The anti-social thing here is to leverage what is ostensibly a safety concern into a tool of compliance.

Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by 1123581321 on Sunday August 28, 2022 @04:51PM (#32631939)
Yes. Like the other responses, you’re only seeing the original ticket when replying to a comment about driving on a suspended license.

As I alluded to, a gradual system of consequences building to suspension, or some other method of easing into or helping avoid the penalty state, would be more fair, especially for light offenses like the OP’s.

That does not change that we expect people not to drive on public roads when they’re barred from using them.

Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by givemeethekeys on Saturday August 27, 2022 @06:32PM (#32623920)
I hope you learned your lesson and moved the hell out of there.
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Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by Jcowell on Saturday August 27, 2022 @05:04PM (#32623188)
The office seem to cater to services where only the able and 9-5 crowd can easily access it. It seems more of a failing of this office to not provide an online alternative means to pay.
Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by gs17 on Saturday August 27, 2022 @06:04PM (#32623695)
> where only the able and 9-5 crowd can easily access it

I'm not sure it's conveinient for that crowd either. It's always puzzled me how you were expected to make it to government offices open roughly 9-5 while most people work those same hours.

Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by Jcowell on Saturday August 27, 2022 @06:37PM (#32623958)
I always assumed lunch time or day off to be used. But your right, it does seem very silly (and affects people living paycheck to paycheck the most)
Re:At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt by gs17 on Saturday August 27, 2022 @07:41PM (#32624359)
I thought of lunch too, but the lines are pretty long at most of these places (in MI I could make appointments, which still require waiting a significant amount of time).