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Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by spacedcowboy on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:07PM (#32609222)
I renewed my UK passport from 6000 miles away in sunny CA. Took a week for it to arrive. Just been to the post office to renew the kids US passport which requires both parents to be there or notarized documents to say why not. Estimated delivery is 14 weeks.

My (US) wife continues to be in awe of the UK services compared to the US. I just wish the bus would come on time when I'm over there...

Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by babypuncher on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:39PM (#32609681)
A not insignificant portion of our population buys into the myth that government is fundamentally incapable of providing timely and cost-effective services like this. As a result, there is little motivation to fix or improve these processes and instead we end up squabbling over whether to eliminate or privatize them. This turns the myth into a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by skrtskrt on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:55PM (#32609943)
In the US, the only time the average person interacts with the government (that they notice, so not like roads an air traffic control) is filing taxes and going to the DMV which are both terrible experiences in the US. This shapes everyone's view of what the government is capable of.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by syzar on Friday August 26, 2022 @01:14PM (#32610217)
I think you are oversimplifying things. People interact with government services when using water at home. They interact with government services through the local k-12 school system; through the Post Office; and they know roads are largely funded with taxes. People interact with government far more than as you describe and attributing a general attitude about government to the two things you mentioned does not seem reasonable to me. Do you have good reasons for the belief you have other than a general perception? It’s ok if not and there’s nothing wrong with holding a pet theory without studies to back it up.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by Terretta on Friday August 26, 2022 @02:14PM (#32610884)
> People interact with government far more than as you describe and attributing a general attitude about government to the two things you mentioned does not seem reasonable to me.

Welcome to US politics.

Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by kyawzazaw on Friday August 26, 2022 @01:59PM (#32610718)
Not with a government office or employee that is not part of utilities though.

The know the roads are but because it is a physical infrastructure they don't pay attention.

Look at the Post Office issues recently, from your comment.

Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by notch656a on Friday August 26, 2022 @04:48PM (#32612573)
If this were on almost any other thread, especially one focusing on the particular topic, the K-12 system would be shit on too along with the roads and post office. The only one of those that arguably reliably beats private services with similar level of funding would be water utilities, and that's partially because water rights in the Western US are a legal quagmire.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by syzar on Friday August 26, 2022 @11:41PM (#32615415)
You missed the point that was made. The point wasn’t that government is efficient or good but that the experiences with the IRS and DMV don’t account for the sentiment toward government services in the country. The person I responded made a claim that interactions with these two services explain the attitudes people have toward government. I think that is an overly simplistic explanation.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by notch656a on Saturday August 27, 2022 @12:14AM (#32615601)
I think you're probably correct. I've had better experience with the IRS and DMV than I have had with most the rest of the government.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by kevin_thibedeau on Friday August 26, 2022 @01:23PM (#32610332)
I've used non-terrible DMV in two states. The key is to not underfund them so that offices are sporadically available and serving an excessively large population.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by azinman2 on Friday August 26, 2022 @03:36PM (#32611804)
What states?

When I went to the CA DMV to get my real id, the person helping me was very pleasant and nice. I told her this was in remarkable contrast to my usual DMV experience, and she told me “we’re the new generation.”

Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by maxerickson on Friday August 26, 2022 @04:20PM (#32612298)
I've never had a problem with the Michigan Secretary of State (which handles DMV stuff here).

There's probably some locations that are chronically busy, but I've had the luck to not use them.

Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by bobthepanda on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:45PM (#32609782)
Also, some of these improvements would take an initial investment that would pay off over time (and possibly lower running costs over time) but that doesn't mesh well with the "lower my taxes/starve the beast" crowd.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by treeman79 on Friday August 26, 2022 @01:09PM (#32610150)
The problem is rarely lack of funding but rather a complete lack of work ethic.

I’ve known people that have worked at the DMV on a temporary basis and they would get in trouble every time they got work done because they made regular people look bad.

The idea is is that if you can not fire a person, department, agency or whatever but you’re forced to use them than the end result will often be bad.

Basically the exact same reasons that most people hate HOAs.

Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by syzar on Friday August 26, 2022 @01:17PM (#32610259)
I’ve worked in government for over 20 years and have never encountered anyone getting mad because someone worked too hard. I’ve heard people say what you are saying but have never had it backed up with stronger evidence than you have provided. It’s simply not believable and comes across as an urban legend to me.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by egypturnash on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:51PM (#32609887)
Deliberately starving public services so that they get shitty enough to consider eliminating or privatizing them has been going on since at least the Reagan years. Probably longer, but that’s when one of his advisors said the infamous line about wanting a government “small enough to drown in a bathtub”.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by throw0101a on Friday August 26, 2022 @04:58PM (#32612692)
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by notch656a on Friday August 26, 2022 @05:22PM (#32612922)
The federal beast is being starved so badly that it's consuming 4x the fraction of non-wartime GDP that it was 100 years ago (oh yes, except the blip during participation in a WORLD WAR). It's the kind of starvation only obese America can understand.

https://ritholtz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/outlays-GDP....

Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by soco on Friday August 26, 2022 @01:18PM (#32610273)
From what I understand the UK is pursuing a similar approach from Thatcher era onwards, they only seem to be slow with it.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by remarkEon on Friday August 26, 2022 @02:35PM (#32611113)
Reagan did more than starve public services. There was an entire cultural moment during that presidency that made working in government low status. It's unsurprising that smart, competent people did not venture into government service, and basic things like "renew my ID/passport" are Kafkaesque endeavors as a result.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by throwoutway on Friday August 26, 2022 @10:05PM (#32614895)
It’s become popular to blame things on Raegan, but it’s been 40 years. Come on. My passport renewal this decade was simple. And if you have an emergency it’s not Kafkaesque. See this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32609897
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by ejb999 on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:57PM (#32609996)
>>A not insignificant portion of our population buys into the myth that government is fundamentally incapable of providing timely and cost-effective services like this.

but in this case, they are not 'providing timely and cost-effective services', so is it really a myth?

Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by jimkleiber on Friday August 26, 2022 @01:03PM (#32610074)
I assume the myth being that will never be able to provide 'timely and cost-effective services', not that they currently aren't.

If the belief is that there is no way that the government could ever provide good services, then the only solution seems to be to get rid of them and have someone else provide good services. The challenge I see with this solution is that private service providers have a very very strong incentive to get people to believe that this is the only solution: it's hard to compete with an effective monopoly.

If the belief is that they could provide good services, then we might see that maybe they don't provide good services for a number of reasons and try to improve them as well.

Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by galaxyLogic on Friday August 26, 2022 @01:08PM (#32610139)
It could also be that one party WANTS to provide good services while the other party is bought by the private industry and thus never wants government services to be good.

EXAMPLE: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/02/biden-cannot-fir...

Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by jimkleiber on Friday August 26, 2022 @02:47PM (#32611255)
I agree but maybe could have said it differently:

> The challenge I see with this solution is that private service providers have a very very strong incentive to get people to believe that this is the only solution: it's hard to compete with an effective monopoly.

Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by pwinnski on Friday August 26, 2022 @02:08PM (#32610814)
The myth is that governments are "fundamentally incapable." That they're not in this particular case doesn't speak to the larger issue.

One political party has been devoted to handicapping government functions at every possible point for at least 40 years, and still some parts of the government continue to function well, so well that people don't even notice or think about them.

People notice the IRS--underfunded on purpose, and with intense lobbying to ensure it is illegal to provide a higher quality of service--and the DMV--underfunded in most states--but not anything else that works cost-effectively, like public schools or the USPS.

Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by panarky on Friday August 26, 2022 @01:01PM (#32610049)
When you have evidence that some governments are timely and cost-effective, then it's a myth that governments are fundamentally incapable.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by chrismcb on Saturday August 27, 2022 @01:27AM (#32616016)
How is it a myth? Yes I was able to get my passport in a day, in person, after paying a bunch of money But most things take forever. Can it be done in a timely manner? Perhaps, but the government hasn't shown much evidence that it is capable
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by cmurf on Friday August 26, 2022 @02:49PM (#32611288)
They know the truth. It can be competent if the citizenry good it accountable to being competent. The myth is that the disinterested citizen isn't responsible, and it's socially acceptable to shift the blame away from themselves.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by quag on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:17PM (#32609359)
From the USA it was faster (1 week), cheaper, and easier (all online, all digital, no mailing anything in) to renew my New Zealand passport, than it was to renew the US passport for the little one.

We were left with the impression that the USA just doesn’t care about improving these things. So it’s nice to see that the improvements are coming, they just took a while.

Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by pjc50 on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:27PM (#32609489)
> We were left with the impression that the USA just doesn’t care about improving these things.

The anti-statism in the US turns readily into "if you interact with the state, it should be a miserable underfunded experience" rather than "since it has to happen, we're going to make it easy and convenient so as not to consume too much time, money and energy from our citizens"

(unless a libertarian wants to argue that the US should simply not issue passports at all and .. leave it up to private enterprise somehow?)

Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by r0m4n0 on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:48PM (#32609828)
It’s high up in the chain and miserable is a side effect of underfunded. I spent some time working at the CA dmv headquarters and can honestly say it’s actually kind of crazy how small the crew is that gets to decide how every other dmv in the state is run. They are running on a pretty tight budget (we had to fund our own drinking water and coffee) and they are definitely not trendsetters. These are people that have spent decades working in low paid government jobs and aren’t interested in risking much of anything. They have little resources, are not on the bleeding edge of anything, they know what works and mostly stick to that.

As an intern that knew my way around mail merges, outlook, and excel macros (around 2010), their minds were blown. But also they patted me on the head, gave me a phone, and asked me to physically call every DMV office in CA to ask them how many physical manuals they needed shipped to their office

Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by humanwhosits on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:30PM (#32609536)
"Subscribe to MegaCorp Brand Passport today! Featuring access to 52 tourist destination and monthly bonus locations!"
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by word_virus on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:44PM (#32609771)
Ugh. That sounds so horrible it could actually happen.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by ctxc on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:38PM (#32609661)
I shudder thinking of how it would be if passport issuance was handed over to the highest private bidder.

Intuit already disgusts me with the tax shenanigans, can't imagine passports...

Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by pjc50 on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:42PM (#32609720)
I wondered about this and found the awesome https://discover.passportindex.org/security/who-prints-your-... - the US seems to be unusual in not contracting it out to De La Rue (who also do banknotes) or Gemalto (subsidiary of Thales).
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by sailfast on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:49PM (#32609849)
The bureau of consular affairs is funded by passport fees most of the time. They started losing a billion plus per year during COVID. This isn’t necessarily a problem of anti-statism as much of resources.

Nobody wants their passport fees to triple and it wouldn’t be fair. There also isn’t always an incentive to make things more efficient in the short term, so it’s not quite as simple in this case.

Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by joe5150 on Friday August 26, 2022 @01:22PM (#32610327)
Resources are constrained only because of policies that say government services need to be self-funded to a greater extent than makes sense, even when this creates inefficiencies or perverse incentives (speed traps, asset forfeiture). Even if it's not intentionally anti-statist, the effect of undermining people's belief that the government can do anything useful or effective is the same.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by zo1 on Friday August 26, 2022 @01:03PM (#32610080)
> "(unless a libertarian wants to argue that the US should simply not issue passports at all and .. leave it up to private enterprise somehow?) "

I won't take you up on your offer, but I'd recommend for us all to take this concept of a passport and peel it back to it's core and constituent parts. Then be a bit honest and see how we feel about the freedom we supposedly have to roam this Earth free from tyranny and fear.

Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by BurningFrog on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:40PM (#32609699)
My impression as an immigrant is that Americans are great when working in private organizations. Effective, helpful and friendly.

But give them a government job enforcing anything, and they become the polar opposite somehow.

There may be a little of that in my home country, but nowhere near this extreme.

> So it’s nice to see that the improvements are coming, they just took a while.

This is one single improvement, long overdue. I wouldn't extrapolate to anything else.

Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by diogenescynic on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:25PM (#32609464)
>We were left with the impression that the USA just doesn’t care about improving these things.

I don't think our politicians actually care. They prefer to fight culture wars and pay lip service to real issues.

Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by grasshopperpurp on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:44PM (#32609767)
I think "little one" = your child and not a passport card? If so, minors can't renew the way adults can and must meet with an agent - similar to an adult getting a new passport. Idk how these standards are set, but unless something changes, renewing online will likely be limited to adults.

Agree with your sentiments about the current process and hopes for improvement.

Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by brewdad on Friday August 26, 2022 @03:11PM (#32611510)
That and for some crazy reason my son who has had a passport since he was six months old, has to apply for his first adult passport as a brand new applicant. He has never had a lapse in holding a valid passport but since he's is now 18 he's a new person apparently.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by galaxyLogic on Friday August 26, 2022 @01:12PM (#32610198)
What bugs be is the common impression that "USA" is this or that or "USA wants" this or that.

USA is (more or less) a democracy so which party is in power at the time determines what "USA wants".

Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by hn_throwaway_99 on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:32PM (#32609566)
Unfortunately the political dynamic in the US ensures that most federal government services will remain in shambles.

On one side there is a party that actively believes that "government is the problem", and does its best to prove that by deliberately kneecapping government agencies. Just look at the recent debate over the IRS. I mean, I don't like being taxed anymore than anyone else, but I think a professional, competent IRS is a clear necessity for funding the federal government.

On the other side there is a fear of getting branded "socialist", or just proposing things that will never come to pass, so what we are often left with is these Frankenstein "private-public" partnerships that are usually the worst of all possible worlds. E.g. you have the case where student loans are made by private institutions (or at least non-federal ones), but then then federal government guarantees them. So what we've built up is an incentive structure that makes college as expensive as possible, as student debt can't be discharged in bankruptcy, and even if it is discharged by the feds, it is the feds who are left holding the bag. Lenders and colleges are just incentivized to charge as much as possible because they are made whole no matter what.

Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by treeman79 on Friday August 26, 2022 @01:14PM (#32610232)
The government has more then enough money for essential services. That it wastes it elsewhere is it’s own problem.

Any new money will get spent on something flashy that will buy votes.

Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by sailfast on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:52PM (#32609904)
Passport services and the Bureau of Consular Affairs are normally funded out of fees, so agreed funding politically is less of an issue, FWIW.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by pfranz on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:45PM (#32609778)
I do think it's worth noting for kids in the US there is no "renewal." Each time it's considered a new application.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by mrwh on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:16PM (#32609327)
Me too - the estimate was 11 weeks, but start to finish the whole process took three, and I was able to take my own passport photo at home. A pleasant surprise!
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by refurb on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:13PM (#32609288)
My friend renewed US passport overseas at a consulate last month.

Had new passport in hand one week later. Regular service.

They can be fast if they want to.

Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by Dobbs on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:13PM (#32609278)
Isn't the both parents required to be there to stop kidnapping and other issues?
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by diebeforei485 on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:48PM (#32609834)
I think passports are seen as a normal thing to have in other countries. In the US, the government seems to consider it a thing you only apply for if you have specific plans to travel soon.

Other countries might require presence or a signed affidavit from both parents when the child is actually flying out of the country.

Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by throwayyy479087 on Friday August 26, 2022 @01:09PM (#32610140)
Yes, and parental kidnapping is a real issue that happens fairly frequently. This is a reasonable policy - it might not be in a smaller country but if you're in Missouri and getting a passport for a kid, you are going a long distance no matter what.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by treeman79 on Friday August 26, 2022 @01:18PM (#32610281)
Things have changed a lot. My half sister got kidnapped constantly by parents.

My mom had custody but her bio dad and his wife kept kidnapping her and taking her across state lines.

At one point the dad was at the airport with a shotgun waiting for them. Police had to sneak my parents onto a plane.

Eventually my mom just walked with for several years at school never letting her out of her sight. That stopped at least one attempt, maybe more.

Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by notch656a on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:43PM (#32609748)
Yeah but it's a retarded rule. The other parent can sail the kid into international waters and back without a passport, this prevents nothing. If someone's willing to kidnap a child this does absolutely nothing to stop them, except make sure any international border crossing is done in the most dangerous ways possible.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by Dobbs on Saturday August 27, 2022 @07:49AM (#32617968)
Additional barriers might not stop all issues, but heavily reduce them.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by notch656a on Saturday August 27, 2022 @05:31PM (#32623408)
Do you have evidence this heavily reduces kidnappings? The biggest change I see here is kidnapping that cross borders are now guaranteed to go through uncontrolled crossing rather than ports of entry, endangering these children more than had they been kidnapped with a passport.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by dhosek on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:49PM (#32609850)
My wife is a Mexican citizen. Last time she needed to renew her passport, she went to the consulate and came home with a new passport the same day. It seemed like some sort of black magic to me.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by throwayyy479087 on Friday August 26, 2022 @01:04PM (#32610095)
I pray that Mexico gets the situation around corruption and cartels under control. It's such a beautiful culture, nation, and Mexicans are lovely people.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by 8note on Friday August 26, 2022 @01:17PM (#32610267)
I doubt they can manage that while they border the US.

The US has interests in maintaining the status quo to keep the cheap labour flowing, gun exports, and drugs to maintain the social hierarchy.

If mexico managed to get rid a of a cartel member, the CIA would start working on making a new one

Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by notch656a on Friday August 26, 2022 @01:18PM (#32610279)
Won't happen until US ends prohibition.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by corobo on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:32PM (#32609564)
All the bus services I know of at least have GPS in their respective apps now.

Doesn't solve the issue but you can see how long it'll take and impress old people by knowing where the bus is :)

Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by leephillips on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:31PM (#32609543)
Have you encountered US busses that come on time?
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by brewdad on Friday August 26, 2022 @03:17PM (#32611596)
Only in cities with dedicated bus lanes. Otherwise the buses are stuck in the same traffic as the cars.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by spacedcowboy on Friday August 26, 2022 @01:19PM (#32610299)
There are busses in the US ? Been here almost 20 years and car, car, car as far as the eye can see…
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by Thaxll on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:16PM (#32609331)
How can it takes only one week in a different country? Sounds weird, or maybe they're being printed in the US?
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by atyppo on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:29PM (#32609516)
Many countries have passport blanks in every embassy. They're some of the most tightly controlled documents in the world given they could be used to print new, seemingly valid passports for anyone (if that country doesn't info share with the other, that is). No clue if they're being printed within the US in UK's situation, however.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by pjc50 on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:37PM (#32609647)
https://www.dw.com/en/post-brexit-uk-passports-to-be-produce...

"The UK will roll out new "iconic" blue passports for a post-Brexit Britain in March — but they will be produced in Poland by a French-Dutch company."

(The UK "blue" is basically black, whereas US passports are actually blue)

Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by lesuorac on Friday August 26, 2022 @01:06PM (#32610112)
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by spacedcowboy on Friday August 26, 2022 @01:17PM (#32610265)
My US wife’s passport and my UK one are a pretty similar colour. I actually miss the burgundy of the old UK one.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by Symbiote on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:36PM (#32609626)
They are produced in the UK. There's something like a £10 fee for the delivery abroad, and it's sent with a typical fast service like FedEx.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by bpye on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:18PM (#32609366)
They’re not printed in the US, but it’s totally possible to courier something from Europe to the US in 24 hours, maybe 48.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by AnssiH on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:36PM (#32609632)
Yep, even from here in Finland regular UPS/DHL express services are normally 1 or 2 days to US (e.g. UPS Express Saver is 1 day to ~NY and 2 days elsewhere).

Though even postal items can arrive in a week as well, with luck.

Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by snovv_crash on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:19PM (#32609380)
Same day printing and DHL express would makes 1 week easily achievable.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by TedDoesntTalk on Friday August 26, 2022 @01:22PM (#32610325)
What about the time needed to validate documents like birth certificates, etc?
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by brewdad on Friday August 26, 2022 @03:15PM (#32611568)
If it's a renewal, presumably those documents have already been validated. One would need to validate the old passport being sent in but that should be it.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by spacedcowboy on Friday August 26, 2022 @01:18PM (#32610283)
Delivered, accepted, sent for printing, and posted by courier from the UK, all with text messages to keep me informed of progress.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by quag on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:20PM (#32609385)
Mine was printed in another country and shipped 7200 miles to me in under a week for a $18 delivery fee.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by tomrod on Friday August 26, 2022 @03:38PM (#32611830)
Things are improving in the US. Energy.gov just released the IT Scaling playbook for Govt digital services
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by nerdface on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:57PM (#32609980)
Yeah same here when I renewed my kids' UK passports from CA. It took a week, all online/mail.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by CodeWriter23 on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:40PM (#32609691)
It’s amazing how much easier things are when you’re at 20% the scale of a larger operation.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by chrisseaton on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:42PM (#32609727)
Don't things normally get more efficient with scale?
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by drstewart on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:46PM (#32609801)
Do you consider large organizations more or less efficient than smaller ones?
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by chrisseaton on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:48PM (#32609833)
With something complex like passports? That's the kind of thing that scales up. A small country that doesn't produce many passports, and doesn't have many complicated cases, doesn't need to be able to manage them very well. Something with more people going through the system is more robust and better tested and has the corner cases worked out.

For example if you do 1 passport a day you can't have a dedicated person handling for example issues caused by dual nationalities. If you do 1000 a day you can have someone who just handles that and knows exactly how to do it.

A tech example would be that Google knows exactly how to get a worker a visa as they do it all the time and they're very efficient at it. A little startup might have no idea what they're doing and would be very inefficient at it.

Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by sailfast on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:54PM (#32609933)
Sure, but imagine if Google was really good at something that was inefficient, like 8-11 week passport generation using old techniques and then try to change it?

The larger the org the harder it is to change in big ways (at least in my experience)

Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by rocket_surgeron on Friday August 26, 2022 @02:41PM (#32611179)
Most of the time, large organizations are much, much, MUCH more efficient.

Even with organizational overhead.

Which is more efficient: Distributing thousands of books by pallet in large, predictable quantities of pallets, to a limited number of Amazon warehouses or sending a single box of 20 books to thousands of bookstores?

Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by sofixa on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:47PM (#32609821)
That's a very shitty excuse. Those things can scale, and get more efficient with scale, especially when you have multiple times the revenue too.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by throwaway894345 on Friday August 26, 2022 @12:14PM (#32609300)
You can also renew your US passport online provided it hasn’t expired. Not sure what the delivery window is.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by jaywalk on Friday August 26, 2022 @01:12PM (#32610186)
No, you can't. This article is literally about how they're going to roll out online renewals for US passports in a few months.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by throwaway894345 on Friday August 26, 2022 @01:35PM (#32610475)
Maybe I was mistaken. I just looked into this a month ago and I thought you could submit everything electronically except for the old passport itself.
Re:Americans will soon be able to renew passports online by jaywalk on Friday August 26, 2022 @02:24PM (#32610995)
You can fill out the PDF on your PC and print it out, but it still needs to be mailed in.