Nothing from a plant is dangerous according to any scientifically based diet.

We did not evolve with a carnivorous only diet, there are many studies about hunter gatherers and they have mostly a vegetarian diet with occasional meat.

Their gut microbiome is much more varied, and a varied ecosystem is a resilient ecosystem, therefore you are less vulnerable to pathogens bacteria.

In fact, if you go out in the forest and just start randomly eating the plants you find there, then you will discover that 99% of all plants are inedible and will cause you severe distress or death if you persist in eating them.

Plants use chemicals to fend off predators, whereas animals will often fend off predators by running or fighting. So once an animal is dead its defenses have been overcome whereas once a plant has been killed all its chemical defenses are still intact. Interestingly, extraordinarily few animals are unsafe to eat -- less than 1%, which is the complete opposite of the percentage of plants that are edible.

Also, your remark that we did not evolve on a carnivorous diet is just wrong. In fact, homo erectus bones are almost always found together with the bones of mammoths, which they hunted and ate for something like one million years. Mammoths are just one of hundreds of species of mega fauna that ancient human hunted to extinction. Also, to this day there are indigenous human communities that live exclusively on meat (Inuit, Hazda, Sami, Maasai).

Same goes for eggs.

Vegetarians eat these things too.

Societies through history have lived healthy lives with little or no meat for centuries.

Indigenous people forever have ate a combination of meat, fish and fruits, nuts, grains and vegetables.

Have you heard of India ?

As for “cruel and polluting”, that’s also a bigger problem with agriculture — because of the clear-cutting, the insecticides, the secondary effects of insecticides on birds, all the agricultural run-off, and so forth.

You need to think more critically than “did this piece of food on my plate once have a face?” Just because you’re eating soybeans doesn’t mean you’re not killing animals — it is just indirect and even more ecologically devastating.

The carnivore diet simply isn't sustainable. Suggesting that's something the entire human race should be doing is lunacy. I'd wager all these people who feel good on the carnivore diet feel that way because they've stopped consuming processed carbs and other garbage. Meanwhile that diet and keto are associated with increase in all-cause mortality.

http://www.weightymatters.ca/2015/09/saturated-fats-conflict...

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23372809/

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2...

Let me assure you that they should be slack-jawed, but not at the rigor of the publication, but at the fact that anything from such an ideologically driven vegan clown show would be considered worthy of publication.

Watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqEhPFIlH3U -- some of the wisest words ever spoken. Take them to heart -- and then pray.

As the other commenter points out, a pure meat diet is not sustainable at scale and you'll find plenty of hints that it isn't healthy (eg red meat associated with colon cancer). It requires huge feed input, produces vast amounts of suffering and has a huge climate impact. In other words: even if it were the best choice health-wise (which is rather unlikely as humans are evolved omnivores) it is still an immoral and selfish choice.

P S.: No ketchup? Mayonaise? Marinade? It seems to be rather unlikely anyone is that purely meat-based...

You say you've been "veggie" for 10+ years without being an exercise nut, but "veggie" is unclear to me -- were you vegetarian or were you vegan?

There is obviously a massive difference between being vegetarian and being vegan because you can be a vegetarian and eat a 100% animal-based diet if you limit yourself to eggs and dairy, which I consider super-duper-nutritious animal-based foods.

I think almost anyone could eat a dozen eggs a day and thrive. Eggs are a super-food.

What strikes me however is that you very selectively respond to a few points, e.g. in my comment the most non-substantial one

> As the other commenter points out, a pure meat diet is not sustainable at scale and you'll find plenty of hints that it isn't healthy (eg red meat associated with colon cancer). It requires huge feed input, produces vast amounts of suffering and has a huge climate impact. In other words: even if it were the best choice health-wise (which is rather unlikely as humans are evolved omnivores) it is still an immoral and selfish choice.

Even the article quoted by the guardian points out the many higher mortality risks associated with meat eating over a vegetarian diet - so clearly a health choice is not in favour of meat and 100% not in favour of a meat only diet.

In fact, I am so convinced that the carnivore diet would be a panacea for the world if we would just do it at scale that I am thinking of writing a book about it, which I would title "The Carnivore Panacea".

The association between red meat and colon cancer is "an association". Note that in nutrition science it is extraordinarily hard to demonstrate "causation" rather than "an association" because to demonstrate causation you would need the kind of double blind, placebo-controlled trials that are basically impossible to administer in this field.

Most nutrition science relies on people remembering what they ate last month, or feeding people in a controlled setting for a few days or weeks rather than the few months or years that would be necessary.

So, to put it bluntly, I am absolutely certain that eating red meat does not cause colon cancer -- but I am aware that this is a major talking point that has caught hold in the culture.

As for the "suffering" that eating meat causes, it is nothing in comparison to the suffering that eating plants causes, so I think eating meat wins easily on that count.

Note that some people think that if there are only plants on the plate of food that they are eating from, then this means that no animals were harmed to bring them that plate of food. For these people it is just a matter of pointing out the ecological costs associated with agriculture:

* the ten-thousand-acre mono-crop farms the destroy habitats,

* the massive quantities of insecticides that kill all the insects

* the secondary effect on the bird population that has plummeted due to the insecticide use

* the transportation costs (meat is more likely to be local than plant-based food)

* the impact on the health care sector (a major contributor to global warming) from the obesity, cancer, diabetes, and heart disease

All of the above can all be summed up by picturing the vultures that circle behind those combines on those massive mono-crop farms -- vultures because they can devour all the baby deer and little foxes and ground-nesting birds and little mice that live in the fields and get chewed up by the combine -- because when the harvest time comes, death comes with it.

Are you trying to weaken your argument?

My question for you is: what were all these animals eating, since we were not cultivating food for them?

Also, why do you think cows don't graze in open fields? Maybe you should take a drive through Lancaster County, PA, sometime. I hear there are cows out west, too.

The long and the short of it is that fresh meat contains vitamin C and the carnivore diet also reduces your body's need for vitamin C because vitamin C is used for the synthesis of collagen and you will be getting collagen directly by following this diet.

You can read more here: https://www.kevinstock.io/health/do-humans-need-vitamin-c/

Well it's an interesting experiment going on meat and see how the body responds.

You never feel bloated, but you feel satiated after eating, you find that you naturally begin eating less frequently because you are more fully nourished when you do eat, and then you notice that you’re pooping half as often as you used to and the Volume is also half what it used to be — because it turns out that your body is actually USING what you are, instead of just passing it through your system after gleaning a few scraps of nutrition, which is what happens when you eat plants.

Also, it is honestly remarkable to COMPLETELY stop farting after switching to an animal-based diet.

In fact, it has been known for hundreds of years that fresh meat prevents scurvy — the reason people associate vitamin C with citrus is because lemons were taken on board long ship voyages back in the day to prevent scurvy — but this is because you can’t keep meat fresh for months on a ship without refrigeration.