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Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by dagw on Tuesday August 02, 2022 @11:12AM (#32319564)
No! We need more "web3 nonsense" like this. This is the closest the internet has felt to the cyberpunk dreams of the 90s. Outlaw Hackers exploiting bugs in automated smart contract to hijack cryptocurrency is the future Gibson promised us.
Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by wishfish on Tuesday August 02, 2022 @11:25AM (#32319778)
True, but it's funny how all these hijinks seemed so cool in the books. Jacking in while in a grimy Tokyo nightclub as your friend, the assassin with razorblades, watches your back. But in reality, it's just all so pathetic. Sometimes I feel like a cyberpunk fan in 1988 found a monkey's paw. Made a wish that it would all come true. And it did, but in a much more banal & sad way than the fan would have thought possible.
Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by rchaud on Tuesday August 02, 2022 @12:03PM (#32320447)
Replace the Tokyo nightclub with an air-conditioned military intelligence office in Pyongyang, where crypto is flooding in via ransomware payments and web3 exploits. That's the reality and it would still be quite sensational....as a Tom Clancy novel.
Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by kelseyfrog on Tuesday August 02, 2022 @12:27PM (#32320796)
That could just as easily be a chapter in Neal Stephenson's Cryptonomicon.
Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by woodruffw on Tuesday August 02, 2022 @02:54PM (#32322808)
Do you have evidence that North Korea makes up any significant amount of "Web3" exploits?

From my vantage point, it seems to be mostly bored twentysomethings.

Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by danielvf on Tuesday August 02, 2022 @04:19PM (#32323770)
I don't think this one was North Korea. And yes, most aren't.

North Korean cryptocurrency hacks are a bit distinctive. Rather than finding logical bugs in contracts, they tend to use traditional spearphishing / social eng to get targeted people to run malware which they try to pivot to stealing keys / access credentials. Then after a hack, most crypto hackers try to obfuscate and store their stole coins on chain somewhere. North Korea already has a large and practiced money laundering network, so after a hack the money immediately starts going to hundreds of different places in the real world, perhaps to mules or to faked accounts in Southeast Asia.

Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by Nitramp on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @07:26AM (#32330242)
Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by woodruffw on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @11:44AM (#32333268)
Where's the connection? Ransomware is the other side of the equation: using things like bitcoin to launder money. That's substantially different from exploiting cryptocurrencies.
Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by hilbertseries on Tuesday August 02, 2022 @12:35PM (#32320921)
I remember how disappointing the duos attack on dyn was several years ago. Science fiction had finally come true, peoples fridges and toasters had been turned into weapons. Become part of a bot net and checks notes took down some websites for a couple hours.
Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by AceJohnny2 on Tuesday August 02, 2022 @01:44PM (#32321960)
> And it did, but in a much more banal & sad way

"The future is already here, just unevenly distributed" and boring

Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by lostmsu on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @10:18AM (#32332014)
Matches my view of cyberpunk as comic books of sci-fi.
Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by qbasic_forever on Tuesday August 02, 2022 @03:55PM (#32323491)
You do realize that much of the 'cyberpunk dream' science fiction of the 90's was actually harshly critical satire and dystopia of what the world would look like when technocrats and technology rule people, right? Like you realize William Gibson books and such aren't just cyberspace opera/Stars Wars in VR... it's showing the real suffering that was possible when you blindly trust technology to rule society. Gibson is honestly a bit of a luddite in his mistrust of technology.
Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by fsckboy on Tuesday August 02, 2022 @06:58PM (#32325375)
I don't agree that cyberpunk was critical or satirical of technology, any more than film noir detective stories are critical satires of telephones, guns, and automobiles or the gritty parts of town; that's just a setting and some props, they're stories of human nature.
Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by lokar on Tuesday August 02, 2022 @04:31PM (#32323905)
This has long been obvious to everyone except the tech crowd who worship it as an ideal. Ironic.
Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by shreyshnaccount on Tuesday August 02, 2022 @12:42PM (#32321018)
the real fun of "cyberpunk" is supposed to be open source hardware, modular phones, cyber decks, laptops with six folding displays, ipads with gpio pins and its not a step closer to reality. sad. :( instead we get this web3 nonsense. hate it.
Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by outworlder on Tuesday August 02, 2022 @03:02PM (#32322894)
> open source hardware

Is it really supposed to be open-source? A common cyberpunk trope is that mega corporate conglomerates own verything. Cyberdecks are modified and reverse-engineered, yes. But generally come from a mega corp.

Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by dagw on Tuesday August 02, 2022 @05:23PM (#32324458)
modular phones, cyber decks, laptops with six folding displays, ipads with gpio pins

We have all that, although most of it from smaller Chines manufacturers. More than that we do have truly open source hardware, you can download schematics for almost anything, modify and design your own chips and circuits based on open designs, dream up your own hardware, and if know the right people in Shenzhen you can email it all to them and they'll build it for you.

The reason so few people take advantage of any of this is that it didn't turn out to be that useful.

Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by arpa on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @02:14AM (#32328221)
And this is why we live in a boring, most stupid dystopia with bullshit tech. People exchange the walk in part in the war for a lead role in a cage, and it's rarely a lead role, too. I guess that's what you get if your paperclip optimizer is geared towards manufacturing consumption. It's just very sad to see all the potential just ... wasted.
Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by dagw on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @03:29AM (#32328678)
While you're not entirely wrong, have you seen the stuff people are building with even simple off the shelf components like Arduino's and Raspberry PIs? Even FPGAs are within the price range of individuals, and small companies can easily go full ASIC for a few 100k$ if you want to get really custom. There is nothing stopping you diving head first into this world and designing and building (or having built) basically any hardware you want.
Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by arpa on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @06:37AM (#32329919)
yeah, you're not wrong either. We have a lot of potential and opportunity which is then wasted on twitter and NFTs and what have you.
Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by shreyshnaccount on Tuesday August 02, 2022 @10:38PM (#32327018)
that, and also that this is all incredibly low level stuff. there's not hot swappable modules, but base components. also its very expensive and only makes sense in bulk to get them from China.
Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by rchaud on Tuesday August 02, 2022 @11:59AM (#32320381)
The numbers talked about in crypto exploits are in the hundreds of millions, if not billions. I would have thoughts the 'cyberpunks' chasing these would be completely outnumbered by state-backed information warfare groups.
Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by dagw on Tuesday August 02, 2022 @12:07PM (#32320507)
I would have thoughts the 'cyberpunks' chasing these would be completely outnumbered by state-backed information warfare groups.

Maybe they are... Perhaps this is the new way the CIA is financing their off the books activities.

Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by atlasunshrugged on Tuesday August 02, 2022 @12:19PM (#32320678)
It's been the way the N. Koreans have been for a while! https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/30/business/north-korea-cryp...
Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by ufmace on Tuesday August 02, 2022 @04:21PM (#32323793)
You know, it'd be really funny if the CIA had figured out a way to hack crypto etc to make extra money to finance black ops and had successfully managed to blame it all on North Korea.
Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by radicaldreamer on Tuesday August 02, 2022 @01:52PM (#32322059)
People are losing their life savings and families are being set back a decade or more, but the aesthetic sure is cool!
Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by arpa on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @02:15AM (#32328231)
Something something stupid games something something stupid prizes.
Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by shreyshnaccount on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @02:37AM (#32328362)
that song sounds good tho. but the lyrics are sad. huh, an apt comparision in more than one way
Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by jollybean on Tuesday August 02, 2022 @08:10PM (#32326009)
That's a great point actually.

So long as people aren't running around with too much bad money.

Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by powerhour on Tuesday August 02, 2022 @11:32AM (#32319907)
I don't remember Gibson but I wonder if we can get to the point that outlaw hackers limit damage to the wealthy and send "refunds" to the exploited. That would be worth celebrating.
Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by rchaud on Tuesday August 02, 2022 @12:14PM (#32320620)
That would be the part at which these books go from sci-fi to straight up fantasy.
Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by Ekaros on Tuesday August 02, 2022 @01:17PM (#32321567)
I would say that anyone who have enough time and money to investing in crypto is by definition wealthy.
Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by jeffgreco on Tuesday August 02, 2022 @01:43PM (#32321945)
I wish that were true. The Celsius and Voyager fallout has shown otherwise:

https://blog.mollywhite.net/celsius-letters/ https://blog.mollywhite.net/voyager-letters/

Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by Ekaros on Tuesday August 02, 2022 @01:46PM (#32321990)
Only read voyager letters, but those sums listed point towards people being very wealthy.

I could see point if we were talking of hundreds, but we are talking of sums of over hundred of thousand. Which to me is very wealthy on global scale at least.

Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by wiredfool on Tuesday August 02, 2022 @03:15PM (#32323045)
My kitchen contractor was in crypto -- when we were talking a few months ago he was down 20% but waiting for it to come back. That was pre meltdown.

It's not just the wealthy, it's the cab driver giving crypto tips now.

Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by drc500free on Tuesday August 02, 2022 @04:07PM (#32323642)
I mean, sure, in the sense that a janitor in the US is wealthy when considered globally.
Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by dagw on Tuesday August 02, 2022 @05:51PM (#32324731)
is by definition wealthy.

Or at least they where before investing in crypto...

Re:Nomad drained of $150m due to a coding mistake by cynusx on Tuesday August 02, 2022 @12:05PM (#32320490)
Like communism, that idealism fails on the part where the one stealing a lot of money (or appropriating it in communism for the greater good) has to actually give it back to somebody that is not himself