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Re:Australian activist can't use encrypted apps, must let po... by robocat on Sunday July 31, 2022 @08:15PM (#32300230)
> it's pretty clear [NZ has] a "so sue me," approach to legislation and governance

NEw Zealander here: I honestly don’t understand what you are talking about. The culture of “sue”ing doesn’t really exist here. I wouldn’t guess there was a lot in common between NZ and Ozzie: we laugh or cry about what happens over in Oz. No idea about Canada.

Re:Australian activist can't use encrypted apps, must let po... by PostOnce on Sunday July 31, 2022 @09:24PM (#32300753)
In NZ we like to claim we don't have a culture of suing, when this is mostly only because personal injury suits and ambulance-chasers don't exist here, largely because the ACC precludes that particular avenue for litigation.

All kinds of other tort suits exist, it's just that people without any money don't know it, they have no lawyer and nothing to sue or be sued for. So we go around saying "we don't have a culture of suing, that's so American".

In actual fact, wealthy people here are just as litigious as anywhere else... as you are when you have something to gain or to lose.

Re:Australian activist can't use encrypted apps, must let po... by p1necone on Sunday July 31, 2022 @10:19PM (#32301191)
Sure, but when people talk about the USAs suing culture they are primarily talking about personal injury suits and ambulance chasers aren't they?
Re:Australian activist can't use encrypted apps, must let po... by drc500free on Sunday July 31, 2022 @10:33PM (#32301275)
Which largely exist because American health costs for an injury are life destroying, so few people can just eat the hospital bill.
Re:Australian activist can't use encrypted apps, must let po... by refurb on Monday August 01, 2022 @02:02AM (#32302604)
I mean, not really. Plenty of people get sued in Canada for personal injury (my friend specializes in it) and they have universal healthcare.

I don't know of any country that has a social safety net that 100% reimburses you for a life-altering injury where you can no longer work. Sure you'll get a disability pension, public healthcare and maybe a bit more, but it's usually "barely enough to live on" support.

If you're a doctor making $200,000 per year and you can't work again, suing is usually the only way to recoup things like lost-wages.

Re:Australian activist can't use encrypted apps, must let po... by andyferris on Monday August 01, 2022 @06:14AM (#32303973)
I think the point is in NZ there is basically no possibility to sue for the outcomes of a personal injury. The doctor will have to live a more modest life. Period.

In NZ people can still sue over business contracts and participate in legal cases against the government culminating in legislation being ruled unconstitutional, like other Anglo, common-law countries.

Re:Australian activist can't use encrypted apps, must let po... by drc500free on Monday August 01, 2022 @12:08PM (#32308134)
That's fair, I meant cases where the hospital bill is more life altering than the injury. An ambulance ride and some stitches is going to absorb several years savings for a lot of people.
Re:Australian activist can't use encrypted apps, must let po... by Taniwha on Sunday July 31, 2022 @11:21PM (#32301608)
ACC in NZ effectively did away with personal injury lawsuits, before that some people would not drive friends in their car in case they had an accident and ruin a friendship
Re:Australian activist can't use encrypted apps, must let po... by anomaly_ on Monday August 01, 2022 @12:06AM (#32301953)
Think it's probably more because unlike other Anglo jurisdictions, American lawyers can take matters on contingency, whereas at best UK/AUS/NZ lawyers can take them with conditional costs that significantly limit upside to the lawyer. This is also why the UK/AUS have such well developed litigation funding industries compared to the USA.
Re:Australian activist can't use encrypted apps, must let po... by lokedhs on Monday August 01, 2022 @01:39AM (#32302469)
Isn't it also because the US has punitive damages that are awarded to the person suing, providing for an opportunity for a payout far greater than the compensation for the damages alone?
Re:Australian activist can't use encrypted apps, must let po... by watwut on Monday August 01, 2022 @01:49AM (#32302510)
It exists also because legal system is setup that way. For Example I Europe there is tendency to expect more detailed regulation to decide where lines are. In USA you get more general law and then people are supposed to fight it in court. Courts then decide details by cases.

It is rather bug difference.

Also, insurance companies when they settle claims, they force you to formally sue the other person or they sue each other. Most of these are routine formalities. Again, system setup in a way to generate suits.

Re:Australian activist can't use encrypted apps, must let po... by novok on Sunday July 31, 2022 @08:42PM (#32300424)
It's an idiom, suing isn't that common in Canada either. Basically "just try to stop me, because I know you can't, neeneer neeneer".

"I really don't care if you are offended or put off by what I said or did. The hyperbolic threat is meant to undermine how much importance another person is or may be giving something one did or said." https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/So%2c+sue+me!

Re:Australian activist can't use encrypted apps, must let po... by pyuser583 on Sunday July 31, 2022 @09:49PM (#32300950)
The phrase “so sue me” basically means “with whose army” or “what are you going to do about it”.

It’s not to be taken literally, although in this context it’s a bit confusing.

Re:Australian activist can't use encrypted apps, must let po... by barry-cotter on Sunday July 31, 2022 @08:32PM (#32300354)
As I understand it: No one in law or government has any attachment to the idea of freedom so they view restrictions on it as costless solutions to their problems. Thus “Well, if you don’t like it, sue us.” Us being the government.
Re:Australian activist can't use encrypted apps, must let po... by CoastalCoder on Sunday July 31, 2022 @10:23PM (#32301220)
I'm guessing that you're using some hyperbole here.

If you can refine that a bit we might get an interesting discussion.

Re:Australian activist can't use encrypted apps, must let po... by andrewchambers on Sunday July 31, 2022 @08:38PM (#32300401)
Well they did block free movement in the country for a few months, not really sure how legal that was tbh.
Re:Australian activist can't use encrypted apps, must let po... by EdwardDiego on Sunday July 31, 2022 @09:57PM (#32301010)
If it wasn't legal, you'd see the government in court over it. As happened when the first lockdown wasn't implemented correctly.

https://adls.org.nz/Story?Action=View&Story_id=453

Re:Australian activist can't use encrypted apps, must let po... by wil421 on Sunday July 31, 2022 @09:06PM (#32300641)
I have no idea about New Zealand’s government but surely you have a court system where someone can seek legal recourse. Suing in this context means taking the government to court.

How does NZ solve civil matters?

Re:Australian activist can't use encrypted apps, must let po... by Nition on Sunday July 31, 2022 @10:37PM (#32301308)
We do, although you can't sue for personal injury due to ACC[1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accident_Compensation_Corporat...

Re:Australian activist can't use encrypted apps, must let po... by PinkMilkshake on Sunday July 31, 2022 @11:34PM (#32301723)
For smaller (less than NZ$30,000) civil matters we have the Disputes Tribunal[1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disputes_Tribunal