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Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by tonystubblebine on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @04:29PM (#32075248)
I'm the new guy replacing Ev at Medium.

I don't think that you can't build a subscription business at Medium. What I told the team internally is that we had a Goldilocks problem where one thing we tried was wrong in one direction and what we're doing now is problematic in a different direction.

But I've been publishing on Medium since the beginning and have a pretty good sense of the intersection of quality and Medium's model. What I'm saying is keep an open mind. We grew a pretty large subscription already with a lot still that we can do to make it much higher quality.

Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by dilap on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @04:49PM (#32075489)
As a reader there's always a little groan inside when I see something is hosted on Medium.

'Cuz, here, look at it:

https://imgur.com/a/EIAp2UM

There's so much junk in the way of the content. It feels like Medium doesn't respect the text or the act of reading. Night and day compared to Substack.

If I'm in any way typical, you've got a lot of work to do to overcome the negative associations of the brand.

Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by duck on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @05:59PM (#32076236)
I would say it isn't a stretch at all to say most people feel that way. I stopped including any Medium hosted articles in my HN newsletter b/c of complaints from lots of subscribers that they couldn't read them.

I'll have to dig up my analysis I did last year (using BigQuery HN data), but on HN there are more Medium links than ever, but they tend not to get voted on at the same rate as older stories which tells me at least for the HN crowd it isn't worth clicking on them.

Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by geodel on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @06:29PM (#32076552)
I mean yes, I would not click on any article hosted on medium. And it is not just because of incessant login popup that many correctly noted. It is also because I feel if any individual / company can not host their articles and blogs on their own platform they are not worth reading. I dislike their reasoning on at least two counts:

1) It is too much work: In world of static site publishing and easy cloud hosting it is not too much work for technically competent person to host their own content if they have something worthwhile to say.

2) Not our core competency: Many companies or teams who say this sounds to me management style BS. If hosting few articles in your domain is beyond their competency then I can't really trust whatever cloud, big data, distributed, serverless computing they are talking about.

Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by dasil003 on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @08:27PM (#32077590)
I'm really torn about this because I don't think dealing with domains and web publishing is a good litmus test for who has something worthwhile to say. That said, I can't ignore the signal when it comes to tech-focused writing. For broader subjects though, I don't think tech-knowhow is better gatekeeper than traditional book or magazine publishing provided.

Ultimately I think lowering the barrier for publishing is a good thing, but that comes with an inherent cost on quality and the incentives just aren't there for businesses / brands to solve this. The backstop for me is personal reputation. Individuals can maintain integrity and principles, businesses cannot (except as a function of stable individual leadership). Therefore, I believe platforms which orient towards scalability and anonymous algorithms will be a race to the bottom (eg. Medium, TikTok), and platforms which orient around the individual (eg. Substack) will at least have a chance at representing quality (monetization, scalability, VC-pressure concerns notwithstanding).

Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by socialdemocrat on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @05:44AM (#32080590)
I don’t get your reasoning. I have hosted my own static site for years, but I wrote primarily on Medium today because I can get paid that way. You cannot make a living writing blogs on a static site.

Medium significantly improves your reach and access to statistics to understand readers better. Until Medium came around I had clue I could ever make a living as writer.

A lot of us use Medium because it has solved a problem long plaguing the internet: How do you get paid for creating content?

I know myself that so don’t want to sign up to one dozen places for subscription. That would be the problem hosting your own site. Few people want to have 10 different subscriptions. With medium one subscription gives access to a lot of writers.

Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by rco8786 on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @07:03PM (#32076915)
It’s interesting that you draw the line specifically at the software serving the post. Should the individual/company own the hardware also? The OS running on the server?
Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by wyclif on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @07:24PM (#32077105)
I don't think the parent is making a point about ownership, but rather publishing. He's saying that in 2022, if you're not competent to publish yourself, it creates doubts about what you have to say about high technology.
Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by biztos on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @08:25PM (#32077563)
I think it’s just the branding awareness that is suspect.

You can host a WordPress site on blog.yourcompany.com for an amount that rounds to $0, and it will probably satisfy most people who dislike Medium and other aggregators.

Or you can roll your own of course, but the extra geek cred you will get for it is minimal. Not saying don’t do it, I’ve done it more than once, but do it for the doing.

Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by rco8786 on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @09:28AM (#32082398)
I guess I can kind of see the point if the post is specifically about tech, but OP said "any article hosted on medium"
Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by christophilus on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @06:43PM (#32076722)
When I see Medium, I think: nag banners, web fonts popping in and pushing the content around while I’m reading it, and little social things lazy loading and popping in on the side as yet another distraction.

This annoys me about all sites, but I think it feels worse on Medium because I remember a time when I thought Medium was decent. The design itself still looks good, and that, too might be why the bank feels worse.

Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by DiggyJohnson on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @06:16PM (#32076396)
Concurred. Thanks for including a screenshot.

I am hopeful that /u/tonystubblebine will reply to your comment, and I'm genuinely hopeful and interested in his answer because it essentially determines whether I'll open myself back up to reading and publishing on Medium.

Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by a1o on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @07:51PM (#32077326)
> There's so much junk in the way of the content

There's a lot of junk in the content too. In the software topic, I have read some articles that had interesting code by what sounded like entry-level to mid-level software engineers, and it was helpful for me when I was grasping with similar problems. But most of the senior-level author articles that are more about concepts, high-level project or organization problems and similar, most of the interesting stuff was outside of it. On medium I rarely see articles like that, what I see most are articles that try to be about that, but read like written by a non-senior author, and is sometimes buzzwordy or has no information I can extract beyond self promotion of the author.

Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by fossuser on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @06:50PM (#32076789)
+1 - Medium is a damaged brand, my immediate response is a negative association. Basically the opposite of Substack.
Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by RosanaAnaDana on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @07:22PM (#32077088)
+1

Yep. Damaged goods. Sorry Tony. If a medium article comes up as a link or a part of my search, that's a thing I won't be clicking.

Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by Sophistifunk on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @08:50PM (#32077729)
There's nothing lower than those asshole scripts that mess with highlighting, copying, and pasting text.
Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by ryantgtg on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @12:58AM (#32079176)
Agree - they may seem like minor design decisions to the visionaries at Medium, but those things alone are why I perceive Medium to be user-hostile. And they’ve had this anti-functionality for many many years. It feels like they don’t want me to be there.
Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by __rito__ on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @04:35PM (#32075313)
I quit your platform because you didn't have Partner Program in India.

I do not want to monetize my writings anymore, but there was one day, when I did.

But your behavior made that impossible. You said once Stripe start working in India, you'd start MPP in India, then they started in Beta. Then you said when Stripe comes out of Beta, you will have MPP in India.

Then when Stripe started full-fledged service in India, you stopped mentioning India.

This behavior really frustrated me and made me stopped considering Medium seriously for anything.

I made good money on Quora in the past. They could send money to India- no problem, but not you guys.

I don't want money for my writings now. I want all of them to be free. But I am angry at Medium, and would never be returning.

Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by rschachte on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @08:16PM (#32077502)
Please fix the horrible UX of Medium. The site is trash to use. For a while I just had an extension parse and proxy me to a better, cleaner alternative.

It’s full of banners, popups and annoyances that is completely opposite of what you’d want in a site where you focus and learn something

Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by jsemrau on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @05:44PM (#32076070)
I was writing on Medium for many years building a small audience of 1300 followers.

While the posting experience is nice. Content discovery is terrible. Content monetization is even worse. I can't justify researching a post for hours for no reads and no money.

Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by socialdemocrat on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @05:46AM (#32080602)
What do you recommend instead. I have had some measure of success on a medium but don’t like it’s current direction and need to find alternatives.
Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by kromem on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @06:59PM (#32076881)
Personally the content model that's always made the most sense to me is a Kickstarter-like format where content pitches raise the funds necessary to execute on them and then distribution is free and unfettered, or don't happen at all if there's a lack of audience interest (saving the author the effort).

In particular for written content, the threshold for funding is low and the bar for execution is as well, which skirts a lot of the issues the actual Kickstarter has.

And if funding is anonymous, there isn't any direct issue with undue influence from benefactors.

There's a number of written pieces I'd happily pay to help bring into existence. And a number of other pitches that even if I wouldn't be interested in funding, I'd be interested in creating an account to vote up to increase visibility to those that would, and in both cases being notified when that content finally exists.

But I have very little interest in simply funding an author in general, or paying to access content when summaries of anything important will exist elsewhere, or even in wasting my time with free material that's over engineered towards clickbait and maximizing my scrolling to serve the most ads.

In particular, I'd love to fund a return of actual investigative journalism on topics I'd value.

We saw the short tail of this in action with Sanderson on the actual Kickstarter, but I definitely think there's a long tail model viability on a specialized platform for written content.

In any case, good luck with the new role.

Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by xiaolingxiao on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @09:00PM (#32077798)
So you mean fund magazines or writer collectives? I feel like mirror was trying to be that but then moved away from it. Presumably because peopel don’t want to read the same crypto shill articles over and over again
Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by kromem on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @09:21PM (#32077927)
No, funding individual pieces.

Instead of a freelance writer pitching a story to an editor of the NYT, throw it up on a site where the pitches can be seen and funded directly by their potential audience.

If the NYT was going to pay a few hundred dollars for the article, that's a very low threshold for funding.

Obviously writers with a portfolio of past work will have an advantage in that system, but even fresh talent could build up a portfolio with interesting pitches at low funding goals.

A lot of content curation is built around a paradigm where the editors speculate about what their audience actually wants, and that's not always very accurate.

I recall a friend who wrote about sexual politics for major publications who had a hard time getting a pitch for a story on child free attitudes sold to the editor, and yet that piece ended up the most read and shared for the year.

Remove the middleman and allow writers to sell the pitch directly to the audience - who if they care about it enough will fund it and read it when finished. And then don't care about trying to control or hinder further distribution or handicapping the piece/headline to optimize clicks or ads.

Monetize the creation and not the distribution.

Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by CuriousSkeptic on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @06:48PM (#32076778)
I feel the main problem with medium is that i breaks the web. Putting a paywall at the other end of a link makes that a broken link.

Somewhere I feel that when an author link to an article, that link is an invitation to consume the linked text. It just feels uncivilised to put out links and then not deliver on it.

That said, I was at one time a subscriber of LWN. The model there was that articles were subscriber only the first week, and then public after that. _Unless_ a subscriber decided to provide a link, then the article was also available for anyone following that link.

Perhaps thats a model that could work for Medium? If I ever get an rss-reader up, and start following sources again I could perhaps see my self pay a subscription for “early access” feeds (to support some pore journalist doing actual reporting if nothing else)

Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by socialdemocrat on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @05:49AM (#32080614)
I see a lot of complaints about the paywall but few offer any suggestions for alternatives. Somehow people who create content have to be able to get paid. One cannot write everything for free.
Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by CuriousSkeptic on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @07:14AM (#32081116)
If you read my post again you might find that I did, in fact, suggest an alternative.
Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by RC_ITR on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @05:50PM (#32076134)
Unsolicited advice: The best media/social networks do two jobs:

1) Allow creators to make content (Medium does great at this, Ev’s eye for product was key here, but always room to improve)

2) Match that content with the correct/largest possible audience, like how twitter has hashtags/trending, FB has the friend graph, and ultimately Tik Tok has the algorithm (Medium is awful at this and if I were you, I’d focus immediately on solving this).

Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by ok123456 on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @04:38PM (#32075360)
can you cool it with the javascript?
Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by hartator on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @04:43PM (#32075411)
Good luck Tony.

I've been using Medium as a reader, writer, and subscriber for some years. And nowadays I am unconsciously not using Medium as much in profit of Substack and Ghost. My main draw to Medium as a writer was to reach lot of people. A random paywall means less reach. Not sure if max reach and paywall are reconcilable and solvable.

Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by socialdemocrat on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @05:51AM (#32080625)
But you choose yourself if you want to paywall an article. If you don’t like paywall articles then don’t create them. What am I missing?
Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by hartator on Thursday July 14, 2022 @02:03AM (#32092564)
When I wrote the article on Medium, it was no paywall.
Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by 5F7bGnd6fWJ66xN on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @01:15AM (#32079238)
Transaction costs to find good content within Medium is too expensive (in time invested). Sporadic posts, with hit or miss in getting quality content Opinion masquerading as facts most of the time Hidden agendas not revealed upfront Editorial standards unknown In a world where everyone is an expert, there no real experts Twitter long form (in limited rollout now) will kill Medium
Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by hyeomans on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @06:35PM (#32076626)
I just created my account @ Medium and got this weird sign-up follow up page:

https://imgur.com/a/ItWEJoI

Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by etc-hosts on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @06:44PM (#32076734)
are you complaining that Medium wants your email address to identify you?

Fight the good fight I guess.

Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by nomel on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @07:25PM (#32077112)
In my experience, if it's not somewhat of a pain to sign up, I know the platform will be completely filled with spam.
Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by prawn on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @07:57PM (#32077369)
Isn't this a completely normal sign-up flow? Seen it many times.
Re:Ev Williams to step down from Medium by Kye on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @11:14PM (#32078652)
The website you're on right now doesn't require an email address.