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Re:The Webb Space Telescope’s profound data challenges by aqme28 on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @08:02AM (#32068616)
IIRC the hard part with this thing is the lenses. I wonder how hard it would be for astronauts to swap an SSD if it came to that.
Re:The Webb Space Telescope’s profound data challenges by 317070 on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @08:31AM (#32068881)
The JWST is about three times further than the furthest a human has ever been from earth, which was on the moon.

So, it would be __really__ hard for astronauts to swap an SSD.

Re:The Webb Space Telescope’s profound data challenges by Aperocky on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @08:46AM (#32069060)
It's much easier to get there and fix JWST than it is to land on the moon though.

Because the landing part was the hardest and take more delta V than actually getting to JWST. Not to mention going back from moon surface.

Re:The Webb Space Telescope’s profound data challenges by martinskou on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @11:39AM (#32071517)
Didn’t JWST use some kind of grivitational breaking to stop at the LGPoint? A manned mission would require much more fuel to shorten the time of the trip and fuel for returning.
Re:The Webb Space Telescope’s profound data challenges by beached_whale on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @08:53AM (#32069153)
I think the engineering that would go into a mission to do maintenance/repair would be quite valuable and help with many other missions. It’s far enough to be far, but not so far that other factors like communication is extremely delayed. Getting that far out of LEO has a huge set of new challenges, I assume, we should be able to learn about.
Re:The Webb Space Telescope’s profound data challenges by dotnet00 on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @12:07PM (#32071953)
Even if a crewed spacecraft could be sent to it (honestly not that crazy given JWST's predicted lifespan of 20 years. Starship should be crew rated in 10 years at most and if not, Orion could be sent with some sort of expanded service module for the trip) the issue would be that docking to or even approaching the telescope is extremely risky.

You don't want to fire any thrusters in its direction to avoid damaging the sunshield or the mirrors, but of course to slow down at it you would need to do that at some point.

If the SSD failed and a constant connection to Earth cannot be maintained, the more realistic solution would probably be to launch a satellite to a high orbit to maintain permanent connectivity with JWST which can act as a store-and-forward relay, effectively replacing the SSD without having to actually go to the telescope.

Re:The Webb Space Telescope’s profound data challenges by patmorgan23 on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @08:21AM (#32068784)
JWST is not serviceable. If the ssd dies, then it's dead. There's no replacing it.
Re:The Webb Space Telescope’s profound data challenges by AngryData on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @09:12AM (#32069383)
It isn't meant to need servicing, but it does have a docking port if it ever does need it and we have the desire to do so.
Re:The Webb Space Telescope’s profound data challenges by dr_orpheus on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @11:46AM (#32071626)
Yes, but a servicing mission for replacing the memory would still be an unlikely operation to be able to do. The most likely use for the docking port is if the electronics onboard exceed their design life, but JWST is running out fuel (to maintain its position at the Lagrange point) so they basically strap a "jet pack" on to the satellite to keep in operation. This has been the business case of some companies trying to do this for GEO satellites:

https://astroscale.com/astroscale-u-s-enters-the-geo-satelli...

Re:The Webb Space Telescope’s profound data challenges by zimpenfish on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @08:51AM (#32069120)
> If the ssd dies, then it's dead.

Presumably they could operate in a reduced mode where it does live transmission of the data when it's in contact with Earth?

Re:The Webb Space Telescope’s profound data challenges by Sporktacular on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @09:12AM (#32069378)
Depends if the sensor readout is slower than 28 Mb/s.
Re:The Webb Space Telescope’s profound data challenges by zimpenfish on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @02:34PM (#32074001)
If it generates, at most, 57GB per day[1], assuming 22h operation (2h for transmission), the sensors are generating 2.6GB/h or about 750kB/sec which is just about 6Mb/s (unless my math is wonky.)

[1] "JWST can produce up to 57 GB each day (although that amount is dependent on what observations are scheduled)."

Re:The Webb Space Telescope’s profound data challenges by Sporktacular on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @03:48PM (#32074781)
That is the average rate over a day. If storage is not available to buffer it, then a sensor's peak readout rate could easily exceed the transmission rate.
Re:The Webb Space Telescope’s profound data challenges by Sporktacular on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @08:37PM (#32077648)
Edit: Which apparently it does, which is why the SSD can ingest up to 48 Mb/s to be read out more slowly later (https://jwst-docs.stsci.edu/jwst-observatory-hardware/jwst-s...).
Re:The Webb Space Telescope’s profound data challenges by zimpenfish on Wednesday July 13, 2022 @01:56AM (#32079431)
But also "The actual data rate depends on the number of detectors simultaneously in use, their exposure parameters, and the precise timing of when their exposure readouts arrive in the ICDH for processing" - in a reduced operation mode, they can turn down the number of sensors, etc., to keep the data rate below the live transmission rate.
Re:The Webb Space Telescope’s profound data challenges by re-actor on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @08:09AM (#32068683)
No currently available spacecraft can make the trip and service JWST, it's also not really intended to be serviced.
Re:The Webb Space Telescope’s profound data challenges by queuebert on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @11:36AM (#32071465)
Spitballing here ... could we de-orbit it back to Earth with what propellant remains? Then fix whatever and refill the propellant?
Re:The Webb Space Telescope’s profound data challenges by brokenmachine on Thursday July 14, 2022 @12:22AM (#32091978)
The sunshield had a complicated unfurling sequence, I very much doubt they could fold it back up while still in orbit.
Re:The Webb Space Telescope’s profound data challenges by hoseja on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @08:57AM (#32069193)
Spaceship might (Elon time) fly this August.
Re:The Webb Space Telescope’s profound data challenges by danpalmer on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @09:11AM (#32069356)
It's "Starship", and it's unlikely to be able to get to where the JWST is in the next few years due to needing to be refuelled in orbit. Plus they have no payload bay design. Then there's the robotics necessary for doing a repair, or human-rating Starship, either of which is years worth of time.
Re:The Webb Space Telescope’s profound data challenges by hoseja on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @09:21AM (#32069516)
Oh yea. Much less memorable than BFS.
Re:The Webb Space Telescope’s profound data challenges by sp332 on Tuesday July 12, 2022 @09:14AM (#32069416)
Maybe we could send up a data buffer with a high-bandwidth, short-range radio.