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Re:To improve search results on YouTube, use the search pref... by maest on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @03:46PM (#31992802)
I'm sure the YT PMs have proof that this improves engagement.

On a similar note, I've started noticing the third video in the "related videos" section on the right-hand sidebar is usually a new video with _extremely_ clickbait and inflammatory titles - sometimes with little connection to the topics I usually watch.

They're extremely distracting so I've set up a uBlock filter for these: `www.youtube.com##ytd-compact-video-renderer.ytd-item-section-renderer.style-scope:nth-of-type(3)`

This doesn't work 100% of the time, but it's good enough. (in particular, it fails if what I'm watching is a trailer video which makes the 2nd recommendation in the sidebar be a movie recommendation which doesn't fit this rule; as a result it blocks the 4th entry in the list, but oh well)

Re:To improve search results on YouTube, use the search pref... by TuringNYC on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @08:04PM (#31995247)
>> I'm sure the YT PMs have proof that this improves engagement.

...and it probably does in the short term, as you just try to engage more with the software trying ever harder to find what you want. But probably also kills engagement in the long term. Personal experience with this: Facebook post-2020 vs Facebook pre-2015.

Facebook pre-2015 was so magical as I was finally reconnecting with long-lost school friends and childhood neighbors we long lost touch with (pre-email friends.)

Facebook post-2020 is me engaging desperately to see something other than the same 10 repeated posts per day...knowing full well that the magic is still in there, just not visible by default. And then one day I just stopped checking.

Re:To improve search results on YouTube, use the search pref... by rsch on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @12:58AM (#31996891)
Yes there was this one day where you open Facebook and literally every other post is Sponsored. And this Reels thing with some random videos from whatever.

But yeah anyway, do you still know people who actually post on Facebook?

Re:To improve search results on YouTube, use the search pref... by trentgreene on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @02:39AM (#31997541)
No, but I kind of miss it. My Facebook years were roughly 2008-2011, and they were magical. You’d talk with your friends in a fun, async, low stress manner, look at funny posts, hear about shitty but fun local shows, post literally random bs you were thinking. And people you know would really engage, Unironically and in good faith. I don’t remember a lot of clout farming in those days (MySpace had a decent amount, so I’m sure it existed).

I don’t think any other social media came close to how purely good Facebook was in its golden years. I’d love for someone to write a book on how it declined.

Re:To improve search results on YouTube, use the search pref... by ithinkso on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @06:21PM (#31994474)
> I'm sure the YT PMs have proof that this improves engagement.

I sometimes wonder if the opposite is true - that the PMs can convince the upper managment that users are staying on the website longer with all those stupid as fuck shit changes, but in reality they are there longer because it's increasingly more difficult to find anything you are looking for

Sort of 'When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure'

Re:To improve search results on YouTube, use the search pref... by pgreenwood on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @07:47PM (#31995149)
Yes, like the way modern shopping centres seem to be designed to disorient.
Re:To improve search results on YouTube, use the search pref... by nine_k on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @09:30PM (#32008969)
Not to disorient, but to force you travel past most isles, increasing the chance of impulse buys.
Re:To improve search results on YouTube, use the search pref... by eurasiantiger on Thursday July 07, 2022 @02:48AM (#32010684)
No, they are literally designed so it is difficult to tell where you are and which ways lead to exits, because it increases the amount of impulsive purchases.

This mind trick is called the Gruen transfer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gruen_transfer

Re:To improve search results on YouTube, use the search pref... by visarga on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @12:15AM (#31996647)
I thought they were just incompetent, but I think you're right.
Re:To improve search results on YouTube, use the search pref... by pjbeam on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @08:26PM (#31995400)
Successfully being a PM and successfully managing a product are often at odds with each other. I've seen few do it well. Not really picking on PMs either, as both an SDE and now an EM I deal with similar tensions. Gotta love corpo life.
Re:To improve search results on YouTube, use the search pref... by raghavbali on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @06:03AM (#31998836)
Could you elaborate that a bit more on this? I am on SDE side and keen on understanding the PM motivations as well
Re:To improve search results on YouTube, use the search pref... by MWil on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @04:07PM (#31993046)
Reminds me of that scene from The Office (US) where Phyllis is calling 411 to inquire about anti-gravity machines and they ask if she'll settle for...

well just watch... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG1NeA3WoKc

Re:To improve search results on YouTube, use the search pref... by BarryMilo on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @07:34PM (#31995049)
She was so perfectly cast as Sadness. Hope that actress is actually happy but she does depressed so well!
Re:To improve search results on YouTube, use the search pref... by polytely on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @09:22AM (#32000449)
She was really good in The OA
Re:To improve search results on YouTube, use the search pref... by 3np on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @10:04PM (#31995964)
Do you notice if being signed in affects this? Just set out to try it (not signed in) from the first video that came up when I searched "Linux" and kept clicking the third video wondering how long until I get to Hitler.

Never got there. After a brief detour in some Greek channels I can't comment on, I ended up in a seemingly endless loop of mindfully woke TEDx talks (as in, no political or inflammatory stuff, just different variations of "how to live your life to the fullest", "this is how your brain works", "the secret to to happiness/productivity/communication...", etc.

Re:To improve search results on YouTube, use the search pref... by maest on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @06:21AM (#31998949)
Good point re being signed in.

Logged in:

Watching RedLetterMedia video, get recommended a clickbaity video about comic books: https://postimg.cc/QVkc7QwQ

Watching Colombo snippets, get recommended some celeb Net Worth trashy video: https://postimg.cc/grRNTL5j

Climate Town links to some unrelated video about Orlando amusement parks: https://postimg.cc/jW0zNMxh

These are way milder than I remember, btw.

Logged out, no weird recommendations:

https://postimg.cc/gnLXD3Bt

https://postimg.cc/DJDfJMFv

So yeah, logged out doesn't have that 3rd obnoxious video, which is kind of interesting.

Re:To improve search results on YouTube, use the search pref... by behnamoh on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @07:24PM (#31994974)
F*k such PMs, seriously. With all the anti-pattern behavior I see from different companies, these PMs shouldn't stay in their job for more than a day. Let a senior engineer with domain expertise take the position.
Re:To improve search results on YouTube, use the search pref... by sph on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @02:28AM (#31997459)
As if the company-wide engagement focus doesn't come from the very top.
Re:To improve search results on YouTube, use the search pref... by michaelcampbell on Thursday July 07, 2022 @06:55AM (#32012390)
> with _extremely_ clickbait and inflammatory titles

A number of YT'ers I follow have mentioned this is basically required now for any sort of rankings.

Re:To improve search results on YouTube, use the search pref... by zeruch on Wednesday July 06, 2022 @10:29PM (#32009333)
I wonder if blocking whole channels counts as 'engagement'
Re:To improve search results on YouTube, use the search pref... by ipaddr on Tuesday July 05, 2022 @03:52PM (#31992869)
Until this changes to the 4th or 2nd