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Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by noirbot on Thursday June 30, 2022 @07:35PM (#31940139)
I dunno, if you haven't run into audio or video interference on a wired device, you're lucky or have quality cables. I've definitely picked up radio stations on headphones or had nearby electrical currents induce an annoying buzz in a microphone or distort a video signal.
Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by eropple on Friday July 01, 2022 @12:04AM (#31942220)
A bad ground in a USB power brick made Spanish talk radio leak into my video mixer's audio interface. Through the chassis, the BlackMagic SDI card, the SDI card, and the BlackMagic HDMI->SDI converter being powered by the cursed USB brick.

That was a bad time.

Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by jakear on Thursday June 30, 2022 @07:45PM (#31940220)
> I've definitely picked up radio stations on headphones

Not exactly the same, but makes me reminisce the days of the iPod nano. It offered FM radio using the headphone cables as an antenna. I haven’t seen that supported anywhere since, which is a shame because I’d really like to get local stations on my phone.

Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by toast0 on Thursday June 30, 2022 @08:01PM (#31940364)
FM radio using headphones/headset as antenna is a common feature in phones. I've seen it on feature phones in 200x, and on some Androids as well. Only you can decide if it's important enough to outweigh other must have features though. There are also lots of apps to stream local radio if you have a consistent data connection (doesn't need to be fast, though)
Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by SoftTalker on Thursday June 30, 2022 @11:39PM (#31942057)
The FM receiver is (or is claimed to be) better for battery life than using data to listen to local radio.
Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by elpescado on Friday July 01, 2022 @04:14AM (#31943719)
...and certainly better for your data plan.
Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by p_l on Friday July 01, 2022 @04:55AM (#31943945)
IIRC, USA pushed for some time for inclusion of radio receiver as mandatory, while GP mentions the need to support DAB if selling to France, resulting in weird situation where it might be software "fuse" involved.
Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by tn1 on Thursday June 30, 2022 @08:44PM (#31940690)
As others have said it's very common. You can even filter phones on GSMArena by it, looks like there's 6000+ in their database, including recent releases: https://m.gsmarena.com/results.php3?chkFMradio=selected
Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by Findecanor on Friday July 01, 2022 @04:49AM (#31943919)
Here in the EU, it tends to be disabled in software even if the hardware has it.

I blame the French. They introduced a law that forbids radio receivers that don't support DAB radio, as a way to make the newer DAB format take off. But globally, DAB never did so phone hardware don't have it. In the EU, distribution chains often cross borders and it would be too bothersome to have models with special firmware just for France — so instead, nobody gets FM-radio.

Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by chmodux on Friday July 01, 2022 @06:05AM (#31944391)
My Xiamoi Redmi Note 8 Pro that I bought from Orange (french telephone provider) here in France in 2020 definitely is currently receiving FM Radio (uses the headphones for reception) and it is even documented on their site https://assistance.orange.fr/mobile-tablette/tous-les-mobile...
Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by Glawen on Friday July 01, 2022 @09:41AM (#31946230)
It's a very recent law introduced because until recently, virtually no radio supported DAB.

I bought last year a DAB compatible radio for my car, only to realise that it is worse than FM :)

Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by roywiggins on Thursday June 30, 2022 @08:37PM (#31940642)
I think some (most?) of the Moto G line still support FM radio this way.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MotoG/comments/u2dvvp/any_current_m...

Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by csdvrx on Thursday June 30, 2022 @07:58PM (#31940332)
Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by 2143 on Friday July 01, 2022 @06:04AM (#31944385)
> It offered FM radio using the headphone cables as an antenna.

That was common on phones in general. Headphones acted as antenna.

If you open the FM radio app without connecting wired headphones, it'll ask you to connect it.

This was common in Android phones as well.

My current Android phone does not have headphone jack. And I can't use FM radio (although there are services that play radio over the internet, but that isn't really the same...).

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About phones which have the capability but which are disabled, I wonder if it's because of security implications.

Where I live, the allowed frequencies were from 87 MHz to 108 MHz or something. Consumer FM radios could only be tuned in this range.

That's because on frequencies outside this range, other transmissions — for example, police transmissions — might be taking place.

The aforementioned allowed range is different in different countries.

Also, in my country long long ago (like, ≈50 years ago) you needed to get the permission of the government (via a license or something) to get a radio. You couldn't just go to a store and buy one. That changed later, however.

Now that I think about it, it might have something to do with semi-secret transmissions happening on frequencies outside the allowed range.

A friend told me it's possible to take apart the radio and tune to non-standard frequencies because in most radios the "dial" to select the allowed range really works by physically jamming the dial with another block. If you remove that block, you could keep turning that dial. Haven't tried this myself, so take that with a pinch of salt.

Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by diffeomorphism on Friday July 01, 2022 @01:07AM (#31942605)
> I haven’t seen that supported anywhere since,

I had that come with a cheap motorola phone (3 years ago or so)

https://www.motorola-support.com/uk-en/?page=topic/applicati...

So not ubiquitous but not that rare either.

Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by pinewurst on Thursday June 30, 2022 @09:47PM (#31941190)
Most phone chipsets actually implement this functionality. However the carriers tend not to approve its enablement.
Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by ta8903 on Friday July 01, 2022 @01:42AM (#31942782)
I know you have a bunch of responses already but I got to say this, every single phone (dumb and smart) that I've used or seen used by my immediate family and friends has had this feature, I'm more susprised by the implication that there are phones that don't!
Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by joshspankit on Thursday June 30, 2022 @10:24PM (#31941487)
I actually just built a $4 FM receiver kit that uses the headphones for the antenna.

It was very common in previous decades because it was cheaper and allowed more room in the device (the alternative was the metal “pull to extend” antennas).

Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by sudosysgen on Friday July 01, 2022 @12:17AM (#31942298)
A surprising number of phones have that feature but it's often disabled in software (especially in North America). Sometimes you can force enable it.
Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by interestica on Thursday June 30, 2022 @11:15PM (#31941880)
I had an android phone about 5 years ago that could pick up over-the-air video broadcasts using the headphones as the antenna.
Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by TaylorAlexander on Thursday June 30, 2022 @11:13PM (#31941870)
My mom's cheap new flip phone has this feature, so they're still shipping it on new devices.
Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by ungamedplayer on Thursday June 30, 2022 @08:55PM (#31940763)
Get a ferrite ring for your cable, solves more of these issues than you'd imagine.

Or a clip on, something like this : https://www.cablechick.com.au/cables/ferrite-core-rfi-and-em...

Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by dmix on Thursday June 30, 2022 @09:11PM (#31940874)
I had no idea these existed. This is going to moving make my tube amp so much less annoying. Thank you.

https://resources.altium.com/p/how-do-ferrite-beads-work-and...

Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by projektfu on Friday July 01, 2022 @06:04AM (#31944383)
An isolation transformer might also help.
Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by fifteenforty on Friday July 01, 2022 @12:09AM (#31942245)
They used to be common on USB cables, especially USB A to B cables for printers. Not sure why they disappeared.
Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by q-big on Friday July 01, 2022 @04:42AM (#31943879)
> Not sure why they disappeared.

Likely cost savings combined with design considerations ("these knobs look ugly").

Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by neurostimulant on Friday July 01, 2022 @03:07AM (#31943331)
Those are ferrite cores? I thought it was covered solder joint or something.
Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by stoobs on Friday July 01, 2022 @05:26AM (#31944135)
Nope, clipped or glued ferrite, you used to also get them on power cables for certain devices
Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by macNchz on Thursday June 30, 2022 @10:51PM (#31941697)
It’s been almost 15 years but I do remember always knowing when my pre-smartphone cell phone was about to ring. It’d make my stereo system buzz loudly moments beforehand.
Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by NikolaNovak on Thursday June 30, 2022 @11:45PM (#31942100)
I remember that! I wonder what it was - the actual signal sent or something in phone's reaction?
Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by runnerup on Friday July 01, 2022 @12:43AM (#31942472)
Obviously the phone caused it. The signal from the tower wouldn’t be any different from all the other calls going to all the other phones on your block. They didn’t have beamforming that narrow.
Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by neurostimulant on Friday July 01, 2022 @03:04AM (#31943311)
There were even led accessories you can attach to your phone that will light up when the phone is transmitting a signal. Basically just some leds attached to some coils to harvest energy transmitted by the phone.
Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by Godel_unicode on Thursday June 30, 2022 @07:48PM (#31940236)
This is the reason that balanced headphones are nice, the ability to reject many kinds of noise induced into the wiring.
Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by phaedrus on Thursday June 30, 2022 @08:04PM (#31940387)
Got any tips for eliminating or mitigating the interference? Recently some retiree in my area got himself a new, illegally-high-powered CB radio so he can talk to truckers from his house. It comes through on the wired headphones I wear while working from home.
Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by CobaltFire on Thursday June 30, 2022 @08:07PM (#31940419)
Find a HAM in your area and ask them to do a "Fox Hunt". Many enjoy hunting people violating the laws and giving a detailed report the the FCC, which has some rather impressive fines that they DO levy.
Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by wrycoder on Thursday June 30, 2022 @10:38PM (#31941588)
First, HAM is not an acronym. It’s ham, a friendly joke referring to amateur radio operator.

Second, hams are not vindictive people, and most interference issues are sorted out locally, possibly with support from the ARRL. Some sources of interference can be very hard to find.

The FCC only levies massive fines when their instructions are being ignored. They don’t play games, that’s true.

Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by sentientslug on Thursday June 30, 2022 @08:06PM (#31940404)
Contact the FCC
Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by ungamedplayer on Thursday June 30, 2022 @08:57PM (#31940780)
If its not massively out of spec, get a ferrite ring for your cable.
Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by znpy on Thursday June 30, 2022 @08:06PM (#31940408)
Get law enforcement involved. That retiree might be transmitting way above the allowed transmission power.
Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by aspyct on Friday July 01, 2022 @04:04AM (#31943665)
My personal best is receiving German radio (I'm from Belgium) through my Logitech 5.1 sounds system. Only when the volume was at minimum or maximum.

So odd.

Re:Logitech MX Products are incompatible with AirPods by SECProto on Thursday June 30, 2022 @10:41PM (#31941604)
The only incidence of wired interference I have personally experienced was a ground loop in a car (car cigarette lighter-usb adaptor-usb cable-phone-aux cable-aux input on car stereo). I seem to recall fixing it with a <$5 component that isolated the signal, this was about 10 years ago and other vehicles I've owned haven't had the same issue.