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Re:Technology shock, fewer shotgun marriages, and the rise i... by kmeisthax on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @12:02PM (#31922052)
The harm that social media platforms cause is not necessarily derived from the politics of their employees, for a few reasons:

1. People adopt political views that they do not act upon consistently.

2. The structure of a particular business can force it to act in contradiction to its political beliefs.

In other words, Meta can say it supports whatever social justice initiative it likes while still acting to the detriment of the groups it claims to protect. The actual business it runs is one where the most profitable thing to do is to screw over the mental health of teenagers because it "boosts engagement". Those teenagers are not anguishing over being "too equal", they are bullying each other with exactly the same cudgels that the social justice left would rather get rid of. Children are bastards, and the business of giving social media accounts to children is profiteering off of making it easier for children to be bastards to one another.

Re:Technology shock, fewer shotgun marriages, and the rise i... by spamizbad on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @11:51AM (#31921890)
Sorry, I'm not convinced these issues would magically go away if you somehow reversed equal pay/job opportunities for women.

One major change that happened in the wake of the cultural revolution was that family problems were discussed out in the open. So instead of basically everyone (including men!) suffering in loveless marriages, abusive relationships (also including men), child sexual abuse (again, impacted men as well) you could now air the dirty laundry - and, thanks to that revolution, you had an opportunity to escape it.

Speaking as someone who is married, let me tell you: it has tons of advantages. You don't need to create a bunch of social restrictions to force anyone into it. But it does require you to hold up your end of the bargain to your partner.

Re:Technology shock, fewer shotgun marriages, and the rise i... by bobbyasdfasdf7 on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @11:17AM (#31921386)
It's really dehumanizing to say women "cannot" have an affair for purely physical reasons. Women are people just like men and their motivations are just as complex and diverse as men's.
Re:Technology shock, fewer shotgun marriages, and the rise i... by upupandup on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @11:49AM (#31921850)
As a woman I hard disagree. Women absolutely forms emotional attachments, sex is not physical on the level it is for men. If it was there would be massive industries dedicated to satiating their physical needs like for men.

We are built differently and its not dehumanizing to be a woman because we are more emotional.

Re:Technology shock, fewer shotgun marriages, and the rise i... by bobbyasdfasdf7 on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @09:18PM (#31927700)
You said women categorically cannot have an affair for purely physical reasons. Do you really think out of the billions of women that have lived on earth that exactly zero had an affair for physical reasons?
Re:Technology shock, fewer shotgun marriages, and the rise i... by psyc on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @11:55AM (#31921954)
“Women are people, just like men are people.” - yes, obviously.

“Women are people, who are just like men.” - Noooop!

Re:Technology shock, fewer shotgun marriages, and the rise i... by bobbyasdfasdf7 on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @09:19PM (#31927704)
Wow I never said women are just like men, did I?
Re:Technology shock, fewer shotgun marriages, and the rise i... by psyc on Thursday June 30, 2022 @09:09AM (#31931891)
"Women are people just like men"

What you did say is known as equivocation. That's what I'm pointing out.

Re:Technology shock, fewer shotgun marriages, and the rise i... by Jerrrry on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @10:55AM (#31921052)
you will be downvoted for spouting facts.

Nobody wants to admit it, but:

The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. They have greatly increased the life-expectancy of those of us who live in “advanced” countries, but they have destabilized society, have made life unfulfilling, have subjected human beings to indignities, have led to widespread psychological suffering (in the Third World to physical suffering as well) and have inflicted severe damage on the natural world. The continued development of technology will worsen the situation. It will certainly subject human beings to greater indignities and inflict greater damage on the natural world, it will probably lead to greater social disruption and psychological suffering, and it may lead to increased physical suffering even in “advanced” countries.

Re:Technology shock, fewer shotgun marriages, and the rise i... by upupandup on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @11:05AM (#31921210)
Uncomfortable truths ruin immersion for those who feel like we've achieved a better society:

- incel culture

- gender competition and conflicts

- classicism

- equity over meritocracy

- normalization of pornography,, drugs, violence in liberal cities.

Yet the benefit to women is not equal. At the top, attractive women (can be achieved with ease again thanks to technology like breast augumentation, cosmetic surgery that dropped in prices) control market attention and convert their sexual capital into fiat and orgasms.

Similarly, benefit to men is not equal. At the top, wealthy and/or attractive men receive the attention of the most attractive class of women.

So we've achieved equality where some are far more "equal" than the rest but the benefit goes to a small proportion at the cost of others who do not get access to it and you can't really speak out because it's seen as "rocking the boat" when we are just citing facts.

It's a powder keg for a major social upheaval. Throughout history, concentration of young, single, unwed men in cities have produced volatility, especially when information now travels fast and far: ex) syria, arab spring and facebook.

Re:Technology shock, fewer shotgun marriages, and the rise i... by kelseyfrog on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @11:53AM (#31921920)
As much as some people like to claim that video games cause violence, I can't but help think of the billions of man-hours diverted into playing video games that would otherwise be expressed socially, politically, or violently. Video games represent a vast and unrecognized sink for masculine libidinal energy.
Re:Technology shock, fewer shotgun marriages, and the rise i... by pjc50 on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @12:03PM (#31922057)
Historically, violence is at low levels: https://longnow.org/seminars/02012/oct/08/decline-violence/

> - classicism

What's wrong with studying ancient Rome?

Re:Technology shock, fewer shotgun marriages, and the rise i... by Jerrrry on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @09:31PM (#31927771)
I think Japan is a case study, as they are a little bit further down the "Fall of Rome" timeline, while also facing the population plateau.

They have combated it with a strong national identity, and cultural retention, but time will tell in the next decade how it ends up.

20 years down the line, the Western world, then Africa.

China and Islamic countries aren't having this issue, as their (opposite) approach seems to be working in the short term.

Re:Technology shock, fewer shotgun marriages, and the rise i... by NoGravitas on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @10:58AM (#31921090)
You are literally quoting the Unabomber here.
Re:Technology shock, fewer shotgun marriages, and the rise i... by imwillofficial on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @11:05AM (#31921197)
Sometimes the most insightful ideas comes from the most unexpected places.
Re:Technology shock, fewer shotgun marriages, and the rise i... by 55555 on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @11:16AM (#31921383)
I don't buy the argument; I think the world has gotten a lot better. But Ted Kaczynski was/is extremely smart, even if he was a domestic terrorist. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Re:Technology shock, fewer shotgun marriages, and the rise i... by Jerrrry on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @02:35PM (#31924033)
I think the argument is, that since the world improved so much, a lot of the social paradigms, customs, traditions that relied on and improved upon the human condition are left unsubstantiated, and the loss leads to social decay, that inevitably leads to societal decay.
Re:Technology shock, fewer shotgun marriages, and the rise i... by bombcar on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @11:17AM (#31921391)
I think that's the whole point/joke. It's a bit of a meme these days.
Re:Technology shock, fewer shotgun marriages, and the rise i... by helen___keller on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @11:01AM (#31921145)
Abject contrarianism is not the same as “spouting facts”

GP went on some kind of unprovoked and unjustified screed about Marxism

You’ve gone on some kind of unprovoked and unjustified screed about industrialism

If you want to write about these topics, put some more effort into justifying your arguments, and don’t do it on a thread about unwed births

Re:Technology shock, fewer shotgun marriages, and the rise i... by whateveracct on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @10:29AM (#31920624)
> Women value emotional connection in relationships

> That's why they have less reason to get married

You have a pretty sad view of marriage if you don't think it's about emotional connection...

Re:Technology shock, fewer shotgun marriages, and the rise i... by upupandup on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @10:36AM (#31920731)
Tell me more.

I would argue your marriage is in trouble if you don't recognize how important emotional connection is for its longevity.

Re:Technology shock, fewer shotgun marriages, and the rise i... by iso1631 on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @10:58AM (#31921096)
The original post claimed that women wanted emotional connections (and also implyed women don't have one night stands)

The post then went on to claim that because they want emotional connection they don't get married (thus implying that marriage does not involve emotional connections)

Re:Technology shock, fewer shotgun marriages, and the rise i... by upupandup on Wednesday June 29, 2022 @11:47AM (#31921815)
I think it's mostly men replying in these comments but as a woman: Yes, women do not have sex for purely physical reasons when they have affairs. They form emotional attachments after sex whereas men often do not.

If they are able to access sex thanks to contraceptive technology, then the cost of marrying is very high.

Are you saying that women shouldn't be having sex like men? Are you saying its not okay for women to be promiscuous?

Re:Technology shock, fewer shotgun marriages, and the rise i... by iso1631 on Thursday June 30, 2022 @07:51AM (#31931229)
No, that's what you're saying. You are claiming that women can't have a nice satisfying fuck without emotional baggage, but men can't have loving relationships of tenderness and emotional connection and it's just a physical act.
Re:Technology shock, fewer shotgun marriages, and the rise i... by upupandup on Thursday June 30, 2022 @11:04AM (#31933327)
I did not make such claims that when women have affair its not to satiate physical needs. There could be rare cases where women only gets physical satisfaction but its sad to me that there are people who view women and men as equal we are built differently and experience the same thing differently.

After all if your mom wanted to get her rocks off she could hire a male prostitute like your dad.