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Re:The case for expanding rather than eliminating gifted edu... by kgwgk on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @02:48PM (#31672209)
> it's not hard to understand that "3 + 5 = 8" is not something that you'd need to literally memorize

‘Literally memorize’ as opposed to what? Counting your fingers?

Re:The case for expanding rather than eliminating gifted edu... by michaelt on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @05:08PM (#31674206)
Precisely.

Our entire society is organised so that even university graduates are very rarely called upon to sum two single-digit numbers.

Adding up purchases in a shop? The till does it automatically. Admittedly, the cashier will need to be able to make up change promptly - but a customer needn't check their change.

Paying for parking? There will be a sign listing how much money you need to put in for 1 hour, 2 hours, 3 hours and so on.

Picking 14 items in a warehouse? You only need to count one at a time. There's a chance to speed things up by picking 2 packs of 6 plus 2 singles? Then the computer will print that on the pick list. No computer? Then the boss will print a sign with a lookup table like "14 items -> 2 six packs + 2 singles" and tape it to the shelf.

Trying to figure out whether you can get 9 people to lunch in two cars, one of which is kinda small? Add it up on your fingers, or keep your mouth shut and one of the other 8 people will figure it out.

Just don't get into board gaming :)

Re:The case for expanding rather than eliminating gifted edu... by kgwgk on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @05:41PM (#31674680)
> Paying for parking? There will be a sign listing how much money you need to put in for 1 hour, 2 hours, 3 hours and so on.

Then if the maximum parking time is 3 hours, it's 10:15 and you want to know at what time you need to leave you take out a cardboard clock, set the current time, and advanced the small hand one, two, three steps. And to know whether you can afford both the parking and a coffee with the money you have on you you make two piles and keep the parking money in one pocket and the coffee money in another pocket. I got it. [I'm joking, our society is organised in such a way that you don't need to be able to read a clock or handle money.]

Re:The case for expanding rather than eliminating gifted edu... by charlieyu1 on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @09:17PM (#31676540)
Sigh, just happened to me. Booked a room at 1:45 for 3 hours, and was told to leave at 4. The staff insisted so hard that it was like we are the troublesome customer who try to milk out something.

A jaw-dropping moment. Maybe school education is more important than we though.

Re:The case for expanding rather than eliminating gifted edu... by geoduck14 on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @09:58PM (#31676795)
>Booked a room at 1:45 for 3 hours, and was told to leave at 4.

If you are renting a hotel room by the hour, it is highly likely that the staff are poorly educated

Re:The case for expanding rather than eliminating gifted edu... by annyeonghada on Sunday June 12, 2022 @11:50AM (#31715418)
>Maybe school education is more important than we though.

The arguments against schools are generally made[1] by people who do not remember how it was before compulsory education.

[1]At least in Europe.

Re:The case for expanding rather than eliminating gifted edu... by michaelt on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @05:48PM (#31674767)
> Then if the maximum parking time is 3 hours, it's 10:15 and you want to know at what time you need to leave you take out a cardboard clock, set the current time, and advanced the small hand one, two, three steps.

Not at all - you simply count hours using your fingers.

Re:The case for expanding rather than eliminating gifted edu... by kgwgk on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @05:50PM (#31674783)
Come on, use the right tool for the job!
Re:The case for expanding rather than eliminating gifted edu... by WalterBright on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @03:21PM (#31672649)
Mentally count 5 6 7 8, sure. Why not?
Re:The case for expanding rather than eliminating gifted edu... by kgwgk on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @03:27PM (#31672721)
Well, it would be 3, 4, 5 ,6, 7, 8 unless you have memorized the commutative property ;-)
Re:The case for expanding rather than eliminating gifted edu... by WalterBright on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @03:33PM (#31672809)
After going around the horn a few times, I expect the student would eventually learn to take the canal :-)
Re:The case for expanding rather than eliminating gifted edu... by dontcare007 on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @05:54PM (#31674843)
Heck, why even memorize the names of the quantities...
Re:The case for expanding rather than eliminating gifted edu... by dboreham on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @07:47PM (#31675950)
Number line.