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Re:Japan tested a giant turbine that generates electricity u... by willis936 on Saturday June 04, 2022 @03:38PM (#31624276)
Fantasy solutions don't work for real problems. We have the capability to make real problems via terraforming.
Re:Japan tested a giant turbine that generates electricity u... by gibolt on Saturday June 04, 2022 @03:56PM (#31624432)
A Dyson sphere is just as much fantasy as physics, true of most of today's technology just 50 years ago.

Solar and wind are needed today, but Starship could bring launch costs down enough that some highly optimized space solar panels with microwave power beaming could be viable within a decade.

Re:Japan tested a giant turbine that generates electricity u... by Cthulhu_ on Saturday June 04, 2022 @04:10PM (#31624560)
I believe the solar panel part, but not on the microwave power beaming; has that been proven to work already? How efficient is it? What is the effect on anything flying through or being near where said microwaves are received?

Solar panels in space is the believable part; rays of concentrated energy being sent back to earth is what I'm skeptical about. Besides, solar panels have a limited lifetime; I don't believe space solar panels are a cost effective solution to solving the energy crisis.

Re:Japan tested a giant turbine that generates electricity u... by Tade0 on Saturday June 04, 2022 @04:19PM (#31624652)
This idea keeps being brought up and people keep reminding everyone that for all intents and purposes this is the closest to a cartoon supervillain death ray that we can create.
Re:Japan tested a giant turbine that generates electricity u... by Aeolun on Saturday June 04, 2022 @09:40PM (#31627076)
I think the important point is that we’re reasonably certain we can create it.
Re:Japan tested a giant turbine that generates electricity u... by taneq on Sunday June 05, 2022 @12:53AM (#31628135)
Yes but could we please not? Orbital death rays for power generation seem like a bad idea when we have options like rooftop solar and wind turbines.
Re:Japan tested a giant turbine that generates electricity u... by vegetablepotpie on Sunday June 05, 2022 @07:39AM (#31630032)
Right, but what do we do when we’ve covered every surface of the earth with solar panels and wind turbines?

We’ll need to move into space sooner or later if we want to continue exponential growth.

Re:Japan tested a giant turbine that generates electricity u... by taneq on Monday June 06, 2022 @08:03PM (#31648168)
We'll just have to clear some area, I suggest the quickest way would be with the giant orbital heat beam! :D

(100% agree that getting into space is important, and that if we want to continue exponential growth we'll need more than one planet. In fact, we'll need more than all the planets and we fairly rapidly (in cosmic terms) hit the point where the available volume of our light cone isn't enough. Maybe indefinite exponential growth isn't something we should feel entitled to...)

Re:Japan tested a giant turbine that generates electricity u... by gibolt on Sunday June 05, 2022 @04:00PM (#31634326)
We're nowhere close to that. Covering all land in solar would be ~100x our current energy needs, and then we still have ocean (most of the surface) available.
Re:Japan tested a giant turbine that generates electricity u... by tempestn on Sunday June 05, 2022 @01:33AM (#31628314)
Besides, anyone who's played simcity knows the damage that can be done by a wayward microwave power beam.
Re:Japan tested a giant turbine that generates electricity u... by joebob42 on Saturday June 04, 2022 @04:42PM (#31624840)
Why would we build a solar panel that has a microwave emitter instead of just building a mirror?
Re:Japan tested a giant turbine that generates electricity u... by aaronblohowiak on Saturday June 04, 2022 @07:52PM (#31626406)
Is our atmosphere more or less transparent to some parts of the frequency spectrum than others? Is the diffusion different?
Re:Japan tested a giant turbine that generates electricity u... by wcoenen on Saturday June 11, 2022 @04:38PM (#31708137)
> Is our atmosphere more or less transparent to some parts of the frequency spectrum than others?

Yes. The frequencies that are not blocked are called "atmospheric windows". And there is indeed such a window for microwaves. These windows also exist for visible light and a range of IR, but those depend more on weather conditions.

https://glossary.ametsoc.org/wiki/Atmospheric_window

Re:Japan tested a giant turbine that generates electricity u... by gibolt on Sunday June 05, 2022 @04:01PM (#31634342)
This is the point. High energy needs to be transferred in a narrow beam, and be minimally impacted by all layers of our atmosphere
Re:Japan tested a giant turbine that generates electricity u... by paulsutter on Saturday June 04, 2022 @04:01PM (#31624479)
How would capturing the beamed energy on earth be any easier than capturing sunlight directly?

Maybe illuminate existing solar arrays during nighttime? Any other energy receiver would be so far behind PV on the price / manufacturing learning curve

Re:Japan tested a giant turbine that generates electricity u... by gibolt on Sunday June 05, 2022 @04:03PM (#31634360)
Main benefit is avoiding transmission losses through our atmosphere. Capturing the signal is easy (we have satellite communication already)
Re:Japan tested a giant turbine that generates electricity u... by lovemenot on Monday June 06, 2022 @08:11AM (#31639470)
>> Maybe illuminate existing solar arrays during nighttime?

I never thought about this. Is there some orbit where this becomes feasible?

Re:Japan tested a giant turbine that generates electricity u... by zardo on Monday June 06, 2022 @07:05PM (#31647574)
A sun synchronous orbit above the terminator would do it.
Re:Japan tested a giant turbine that generates electricity u... by vbezhenar on Saturday June 04, 2022 @04:29PM (#31624727)
Receiving energy that was not supposed for earth will increase planet heat output (because electricity in the end will heat things). Who knows how that would affect the planet.

The only way to preserve the Earth is smart planning, reducing energy usage and moving industry to the space. IMO Earth should be sanctuary for people to enjoy their origins and for some rich people inevitably. Most people should move to other planets or space objects where pollution does not matter.

Re:Japan tested a giant turbine that generates electricity u... by hackernewds on Saturday June 04, 2022 @03:44PM (#31624338)
Terraforming is a fantasy that won't work for real problems
Re:Japan tested a giant turbine that generates electricity u... by andai on Saturday June 04, 2022 @03:49PM (#31624373)
>We have the capability to make real problems via terraforming. [emphasis mine]
Re:Japan tested a giant turbine that generates electricity u... by Dylan16807 on Saturday June 04, 2022 @05:00PM (#31625006)
Yes, they slightly misread, but it's a fair retort. Terraforming is pretty fantasy, but it happens.
Re:Japan tested a giant turbine that generates electricity u... by paulsutter on Saturday June 04, 2022 @05:47PM (#31625422)
We’re carbon (de-)terraforming the earth everyday on a global scale, haven’t you heard? It’s very real