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Re:Americans are poorly served by their grocery stores by ramraj07 on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:28AM (#31616984)
I’d trust a good can of tomatoes before I touch the borderline unappealing off season strawberries they have in those markets. Happy that you’re trying not to judge but looks like you still have a ways to go before getting off a high horse. As oogway says, “one often meets their destiny on their path to avoid it.” When I remember the solid research showing people taking multivitamins die faster I keep thinking what might be in store for people who swear organic food will make them live longer.

Like your railing on frozen food. You realize frozen food is far fresher and less likely to have “chemicals” or whatever is your choice enemy right?

Re:Americans are poorly served by their grocery stores by burnished on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:39AM (#31617342)
>Like your railing on frozen food. You realize frozen food is far fresher and less likely to have “chemicals” or whatever is your choice enemy right?

I think you're making stuff up here.

Re:Americans are poorly served by their grocery stores by solarmist on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:59AM (#31617449)
Nope. This is true, but phrased in adversarial way. Google flash frozen foods.

When frozen they can pause the aging of the food at a chosen time vs shipping it both the consumer and shipper are hoping to get the timing right. So frozen goods have much better control over the state of the food the reaches the consumer. Freezing also physically protects foods by making them harder.

Re:Americans are poorly served by their grocery stores by burnished on Saturday June 04, 2022 @05:05AM (#31618370)
Thank you, I should have been more specific, I meant 'making stuff up' in reference to the adversarial portion.
Re:Americans are poorly served by their grocery stores by klodolph on Saturday June 04, 2022 @02:05AM (#31617478)
No, the sentiment about frozen food being superior is on the mark although the exact argument isn’t correct.

Frozen produce is harvested at peak, frozen nearby, and then transported. The texture suffers, but in other respects this is far superior to the “fresh” produce you get, which has to survive transportation at room temperature. Whether you would prefer frozen depends on what you are getting and how you prepare it, but there are tons of scenarios where you should prefer frozen foods.

Certain foods are clear winners frozen, like peas, corn, spinach, if they are going to be cooked. If you’re making sauces, fillings, pies, etc from berries, frozen berries are your best bet. The non-frozen berries have to be shelf stable and the shelf stable ones don’t taste good. The good tasting berries keep well frozen.

Re:Americans are poorly served by their grocery stores by burnished on Saturday June 04, 2022 @05:07AM (#31618385)
I've had good luck with frozen edamame, and I understand that freezing improves fish by killing parasites. Fun stuff.

Thank you for the information. To clarify, I had intended to convey that they were effectively making stuff up by accusing that other person of some sort of squeamishness.

Re:Americans are poorly served by their grocery stores by spywaregorilla on Saturday June 04, 2022 @03:50PM (#31624386)
It is necessary to freeze fish to kill parasites. All the fresh fish you see in a supermarket was frozen at some point.
Re:Americans are poorly served by their grocery stores by HWR_14 on Saturday June 04, 2022 @07:51AM (#31619272)
Edamame is similar to peas, so it makes sense that if one freezes well they both do.
Re:Americans are poorly served by their grocery stores by burnished on Saturday June 04, 2022 @08:32AM (#31619560)
Yep, I only mention it because I recently realized it didn't have to be this special treat I only got when I went and ate sushi somewhere. I can just boil a handful of 'em for four minutes in salty water any time I want. Downright luxurious.
Re:Americans are poorly served by their grocery stores by rightbyte on Saturday June 04, 2022 @03:29AM (#31617923)
> far superior to the “fresh” produce you get, which has to survive transportation at room temperature

Depends on the distance to transport and water content though. I have never eaten frozen pinneapple, but I guess it would be awful?

Re:Americans are poorly served by their grocery stores by sokoloff on Saturday June 04, 2022 @06:03AM (#31618664)
I’d expect frozen pineapple to be quite good even after thawing. It has a lot of long fiber for structure that I’d expect would survive.

Frozen and thawed watermelon (and other similar melons) would likely be dreadful.

Re:Americans are poorly served by their grocery stores by kcplate on Saturday June 04, 2022 @10:05PM (#31627225)
It’s good, but it’s not fresh either. It’s better than canned pineapple

I think it depends on the application, in a situation or recipe where fresh fruit is important (like a tart), frozen fruits likely won’t measure up. In something baked (like a pie) frozen can work well. A smoothie, frozen fruits can be amazing.

Re:Americans are poorly served by their grocery stores by mupuff1234 on Saturday June 04, 2022 @04:01AM (#31618054)
Not awful at all. Actually makes for a great summer popsicle.
Re:Americans are poorly served by their grocery stores by herbst on Saturday June 04, 2022 @05:06AM (#31618375)
Sure they are fresher (if the fruit accepts being frozen) however I don't see why they would have less chemicals. Most chemicals people try to avoid are used for growing and not packaging. The only way to avoid these is buying trustable organic labels.

Please don't build a illusion of fair, non organic farms somehow working in a natural way when they actually are just as profit oriented as any other big company.

Re:Americans are poorly served by their grocery stores by ramraj07 on Saturday June 04, 2022 @10:20AM (#31620612)
You can buy organic frozen food as well, you know.
Re:Americans are poorly served by their grocery stores by w-ll on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:37AM (#31617024)
I feel the same with with orange juice FROM concentrate vs the shelf stable stuff, everyone calls me crazy for it.
Re:Americans are poorly served by their grocery stores by klodolph on Saturday June 04, 2022 @02:14AM (#31617526)
Neither option tastes anything like what it’s supposed to taste like, to me.

The process of making concentrate loses most of the aroma, which is then added back using perfumes which are derived from oranges. Because the perfumes are made from oranges, using certain techniques, they do not have to be listed as separate ingredients, and the can will just say “orange” in the ingredient list. One fundamental problem is that natural orange juice goes bitter when exposed to air, and that problem isn’t solved by concentrating it… because you won’t drink it all right after reconstituting it.

If you compare FCOJ to fresh-squeezed, the difference is not subtle. It’s incredibly obvious. It doesn’t even matter what type of orange you use for juicing—try them all.

Re:Americans are poorly served by their grocery stores by treis on Saturday June 04, 2022 @08:43AM (#31619653)
>Neither option tastes anything like what it’s supposed to taste like, to me.

That's because the not from concentrate is mostly bullshit. They store the juice for up to a year and preserve it by deoxygenating the giant storage containers. That destroys most of the flavor and so they add in artificial flavor packs rendering the end product an orange flavored beverage instead of juice.

From concentrate is actually better. That's 100% from an orange. You lose flavor from the solidification process but the end result is all from the orange.

Re:Americans are poorly served by their grocery stores by klodolph on Saturday June 04, 2022 @02:33PM (#31623686)
> You lose flavor from the solidification process but the end result is all from the orange.

"All from the orange" is a clever conceit. It's a processed food product. If you get Minute Maid, it incorporates a flavor pack created by Coca-Cola. It's not listed in the ingredients because the flavor pack is made from orange.

Re:Americans are poorly served by their grocery stores by treis on Saturday June 04, 2022 @04:07PM (#31624531)
Unless I've been grossly misinformed those aren't added to the concentrate.
Re:Americans are poorly served by their grocery stores by kcplate on Saturday June 04, 2022 @10:13PM (#31627266)
> If you compare FCOJ to fresh-squeezed, the difference is not subtle. It’s incredibly obvious. It doesn’t even matter what type of orange you use for juicing—try them all.

Completely agree and it’s so much better at least to me.

I’d even go as far to say that many people who are used to drinking the concentrate or shelf stable stuff have no idea how much different fresh squeezed OJ tastes. To the point where it’s surprising and in some cases not to their taste because they are so used to the processed stuff.

Re:Americans are poorly served by their grocery stores by js2 on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:08AM (#31617192)
I’m from Florida. You’re crazy. Both are equally bad. If you want fresh orange juice, buy Florida oranges and squeeze the juice yourself. They aren’t very good for eating though. For that you want California navels.

(Florida’s true delicacies are the keylime and the stone crab. I’ve never gotten a keylime in a grocery store that comes close to what grows on the trees in the state. And stone crab you’ll never find in a grocery.)

Re:Americans are poorly served by their grocery stores by iratewizard on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:28AM (#31617277)
I had no idea there was a difference between the oranges. What I know about is apples, growing up near a lot of apple farms. It's probably not worth trying to compare our niche insight, though.
Re:Americans are poorly served by their grocery stores by ABeeSea on Saturday June 04, 2022 @02:01AM (#31617458)
Stone Crab claws are one of the greatest seafoods in the US. But due to the way they are harvested (single claw snapped off and the rest of the crab thrown back), you have to eat them immediately so no shipping.
Re:Americans are poorly served by their grocery stores by rightbyte on Saturday June 04, 2022 @03:33AM (#31617945)
Wiki:

> Harvesting is accomplished by removing one or both claws from the live animal and returning it to the ocean where it can regrow the lost limb(s).

Incredible ... sounded so wasteful at first to not eat the body.

Re:Americans are poorly served by their grocery stores by dntrkv on Saturday June 04, 2022 @03:02AM (#31617780)
Plenty of stores offer freshly squeezed orange juice nowadays. Some have the machine that will do it right in front of you.
Re:Americans are poorly served by their grocery stores by mupuff1234 on Saturday June 04, 2022 @04:02AM (#31618061)
I like eating the concentrated stuff semi-frozen, tastes better than most sorbets imo.
Re:Americans are poorly served by their grocery stores by technothrasher on Saturday June 04, 2022 @09:12AM (#31619896)
> I remember the solid research showing people taking multivitamins die faster

Do you think that could possibly be because people who are more sickly are more likely to try taking vitamins, as a curative? So it isn’t the vitamins killing them, but the disease making them take vitamins? Of course, I’d have to see the actual study you are referencing to see if they discussed causality.