Banning guns is not the answer. Instilling that civic responsibility is - the benefits are astronomical.
What's interesting is that the number of people who take a shot at certain political figures is very low in the US, despite politics being so deeply concerning to so many adults. This feels like an adolescent/young-adult problem that's come to light. If there was a force like the Secret Service/FBI that cracked down on a WHIFF of threatening schools and the media coverage was blacked out for a month, we might see progress without getting mired in a gun control debate that won't be solved in our lifetime.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-r... [2] https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israel-s-new-pu...
Banning guns is clearly the answer. There will always be psychopaths, and these people will not care about "civic responsibility." The only thing that can be done is to restrict their access to guns.
Germany:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erfurt_school_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emsdetten_school_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnenden_school_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heidelberg_University_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coburg_shooting
Finland:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jokela_school_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kauhajoki_school_shooting
France:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39292755
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toulouse_and_Montauban_shootin...
Spain:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barcelona_school_killing
Estonia:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/estonia-school-shooting-leaves-...
Greece:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OAED_Vocational_College_shooti...
Hungary:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8380822.stm
Poland:
https://tvn24.pl/tvn24-news-in-english/poland-two-wounded-in...
Netherlands:
Ukraine:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerch_Polytechnic_College_mass...
Russia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perm_State_University_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazan_school_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Moscow_school_shooting
https://siberiantimes.com/other/others/news/three-wounded-in...
Europe also has had the two deadliest mass shootings of all time: Bataclan (2015, 130 deaths) and Oslo (2011, 77 deaths).
>Do you see school shootings happening in Europe?
Implying that school shootings don't happen in Europe. I then listed 20 school shootings that have occurred in Europe over the last 20 years and your response is to claim that there are "orders of magnitude more [school shootings] in the US".
"Orders" implies that there is at least 100 times more (as a single order is 10 times more) school shootings in the US than in Europe. That is also not true, even counting events such as "Two boys, aged 11 and 14-years-old were shot in the parking lot of the Searles Elementary School around 1 am" and "An individual who was not a student accidentally shot himself in the leg in the parking lot of Glades Central High School" as school shootings, which Wikipedia and most media do. Even with all the stat padding, there are have only been 365 "school shootings" in the US over the last 22 years (i.e. a single order of magnitude more than my partial list of European school shootings); the actual number of school shootings by the common definition is in the same ballpark as Europe.
Uvalde shooter locked himself in a classroom than proceeded to kill 18 ten-year olds and their two teachers. Why?
https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/mass-shootings-in-amer...
1. https://news.yahoo.com/psychiatrist-colorado-movie-gunman-th... 2. https://www.cnn.com/2013/11/25/justice/sandy-hook-shooting-r... 3. https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/107885790
If we reduced access to firearms, we can still work the motivation angle in a lot of ways, but have overall reduced gun violence. Other countries show that the offset increase in violence through other means would still be lower than current death rates.
For example, it might make sense to restrict the availability of very high-calorie, low-nutrition foods like fast food, or tax them to raise their price and/or subsidize healthy food. It would make sense to educate people about nutrition and exercise and healthy eating.
This kind of thinking could easily hold for the gun control conversation. Let people buy guns if they want, but not the really unnecessarily dangerous ones, and only one at a time. An 18 year old walks into your gun shop and wants to buy two powerful rifles. Why? What do you want them for? Why do you need two? These are valid questions.
if the supposedly intelligent HN can't arrive at the conclusion that reducing guns is the right answer since it was already successfully done by Canada and Australia then what chance do the rest of the US have?
it's been instilled from their birth that will be born with and die with guns. No amount of persuasion will change their minds. It's absolutely 100% futile to argue with Americans that guns are the root of all evil.
It's a fucking straight forward issue. Gun violence is increasing so reduce gun. Even for this linear problem every American is blaming everything else from Saturn in retrograde to bullying /mental health (as if its not an issue across the world)
so aggravating.
Honestly, probably not much worse odds. HN may be knowledgeable about computers, but there’s a big contingent here that doesn’t want to be told what to do, and doesn’t care whether other people get hurt in the process. And once you adopt that ideology, it is all downhill from there
It really is not.
There are too many guns available, too easily obtained, to too many citizens who have not been properly indoctrinated with a sense of civic responsibility, let alone trained in the proper ways to handle a gun.
The answer isn't to throw more guns at the problem or to blame inadequate mental health facilities. It is to reduce gun availability. And we aren't willing to do that because politicians on the right find it more valuable to demagogue on the subject as a wedge issue.