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Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by glook on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:17AM (#31492425)
I am a heavy user of f-droid and avoid these 'Simple' apps. The high level of nag is not just annoying but borders on begging. Having pro versions where you can change colors defeats the idea of open source. I hate bringing the negative energy, but there is a treasure of apps available with f-droid other than these. I am glad they have their own website and wish they just went and did their own thing there.
Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by ffpip on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:20AM (#31492475)
> Having pro versions where you can change colors defeats the idea of open source

Do you have any other ways the developer can make a living?

AFAIK the pro features (excluding the closed source 3rd party SDKs) are all open source. You can build them on your own or download it off F-Droid.

Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by newsch on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @03:08PM (#31496263)
For what it's worth, when I modified the dialer app to add a feature the developer didn't want, I discovered that there is a nag built into every screen that triggers randomly for "unofficial" versions: https://github.com/SimpleMobileTools/Simple-Commons/blob/5ad...
Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by feanaro on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @02:51PM (#31496064)
I'm seriously surprised by the number of people here not understanding what free software / open source means.

The tag line is literally "free as in freedom, not as in beer". How is it possible to miss this?

Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by suprjami on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @07:16AM (#31502883)
Free as in freeloading
Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by unethical_ban on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @02:58PM (#31496149)
The problem is marketing it as if it will be free and ad free, then restricting its capability based on price while notifying users to upgrade. It's a bait and switch.
Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by thow34wqway on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @01:29PM (#31507688)
> Do you have any other ways the developer can make a living?

Yes. Sell commercial software or If the developer cares about open source then charge for support. Its a disservice IMO to make the user install for free and then ask them money to use other features wasting users time. There is a incentive to make worst product in the free version which goes against the principle of opensource.

Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by metalliqaz on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:54AM (#31492917)
I am an oss dev. I make a living at my day job.
Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by mort96 on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @11:44AM (#31493575)
Same here. As a result, the vast majority of my programming effort goes into my day job, and my OSS projects are critically understaffed.

Which works okay for me and my projects, but if I wanted them to be serious players in the market rather than just side projects, I would need to find a way to earn money in a way which doesn't eat most of my time.

Personally, I want FOSS software to be able to be serious players in the market. Therefore, I want them to have enough developer resources to make that possible. Therefore, they need to make money.

Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by nerdyadventurer on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @12:30AM (#31500618)
> Personally, I want FOSS software to be able to be serious players in the market. Therefore, I want them to have enough developer resources to make that possible. Therefore, they need to make money.

I agree. I do not see anything wrong with earning money from open source software, lots of companies do it. Open source is always good for transparency than proprietary closed software. We should support open source devs to be successful, as you said, to go against proprietary monopolies.

Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by mburee on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @11:02AM (#31493027)
Exactly, if you don't want to develop open source software, just don't do it
Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by phalangion on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @12:13PM (#31493960)
And if you don’t like how someone manages their open source software, don’t use it.
Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by teknopaul on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @01:17PM (#31494879)
That's what peeps here are recommending. Save yourself a download if you are used to the normal OS model.
Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by cinntaile on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @11:16AM (#31493205)
It doesn't mean you have to do it for free, even if you develop open source software.
Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by djbusby on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @11:04AM (#31493041)
Not every developer has a day job.
Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by cortesoft on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @11:20AM (#31493261)
If they want to make money from their programming, they should get one.
Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by vorpalhex on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @11:25AM (#31493331)
If you want nice software, you should use your day job money and support the people who make it.
Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by cortesoft on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @11:29AM (#31493380)
I contribute to open source by writing it and participating in the community, not by spending dollars.
Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by notyourday on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @12:13PM (#31493952)
Alas, neither my grocery store nor does my landlord care about nice feels. Hence I do HTTP 402 Pay me.
Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by cortesoft on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @02:05PM (#31495466)
I agree, you don't owe me anything. You don't have to share your code for free.

My point is that if you want to make money for your code, either get a job writing software or create a business around the software you wrote.

I think open source should be created by people not trying to make money from it. I understand that not everyone feels this way, and I sometimes agree with the arguments. However, my overall feeling is that supporting open source work should come in the form of companies supporting their employees to work on open source work that is valuable for the company employing those people. They contribute to open source not because they are trying to make money from that work, but because they use that software to support their main money making work, and get more value by sharing the work than keeping it fully internal.

Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by jasonm23 on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @05:40AM (#31502308)
In particular open source shouldn't be a marketing gimmick.
Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by shrimp_emoji on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @01:04PM (#31494718)
And so your software will be poisoned by value extraction from the user, which will be inferior to software from someone not wanting to make money, which I'll use instead. :D
Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by notyourday on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @02:26PM (#31495773)
Name a non-abstract but existing superior free gallery software for Android downloadable from f-droid.

It must:

1. Support mediaapi - not be confused about where Whatsapp puts its images.

2. Allow management of files.

3. Be able to provide basic organization (folders/sorting[per folder]/cover images)

4. Support all modern image formats used by phones and the web.

5. Not crash.

6. Not delete/corrupt files by accident.

7. Be able to play modern video/audio files (pick top 20 popular codecs)

Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by ticviking on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @02:32PM (#31495855)
I love open source, but the general level of quality in most open source is... not great.
Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by teknopaul on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @01:15PM (#31494851)
Don't call it Open Source if you don't understand what it means. Call it shareware or freeware with nag screens.
Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by emteycz on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @01:39PM (#31495156)
Don't talk about open source if you don't understand it. Paid binaries are the oldest form of OSS monetization.

Is the source open and with a OSS-compatible licence? Then it's open source, not freeware nor shareware.

Red Hat has nagging too.

Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by teknopaul on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @02:35PM (#31495876)
I do understand OS. Read the preamble of gpl this explains the _purpose_ of os.

The _goal_ of open source is to provide free software. Software that is free to _use_ now, and in the future, not _just_ free to get the source, free to use. If you don't provide free software (and free build processes) it's not compliant with Open Source licences.

Paid binaries are permitted but you must be _willing_ to to give away your software free of cost.

Aguably nagware is a deliberate annoyance and time cost to the user that makes it not "free to use". Adding crippleware (making it not work after a period of time) is certainly forbidden.

If your are writing nagware with oss license no-one will take you to court, because they can fix it, but it's certainly deceptive. It imies you don't want your software to be free to use.

OS licenses were not designed as a marketing tool for individual developers to get you a foot in the door. You can do that, but don't be surprised if you get called out for it. That is not the _purpose_ of OS.

That's the purpose of a free tier.

As a RedHat customer I don't find any of the software use daily to be suffering from nagware.

If grep had nagware in it, I'd bitch about it on HN.

Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by notyourday on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @03:56PM (#31496832)
> The _goal_ of open source is to provide free software. Software that is free to _use_ now, and in the future, not _just_ free to get the source, free to use. If you don't provide free software (and free build processes) it's not compliant with Open Source licences

No, the goal of Open Source is to provide a user with ability access the source and do things to it. That's the difference between the Open Source and Free Software championed by FSF. FSF flopped. That's why we are still waiting for the Hurd to be useful.

Source: Sat in the room with Bruce Perens when this was happening.

Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by emteycz on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @04:18PM (#31497083)
> As a RedHat customer I don't find any of the software use daily to be suffering from nagware.

Don't enter your license key and you'll see

Why does CentOS exist?

Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by lupire on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @01:19PM (#31494907)
That's what OP did.
Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by ffpip on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @03:08PM (#31496260)
Working on this suite of apps might be his day job. If he takes up a day job he might not be able to work on and maintain these many apps.

Can you develop and maintain a suite of 8-10 apps only on your free time? I was talking about how this specific developer who makes these many apps can make money, and not how you do.

Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by dmantis on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:35AM (#31492673)
Free in FOSS "as in free speech, not free beer."

As far as pro version is opensourced, distributed under free license and fully auditable, there is nothing defeating the idea of open source.

Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by notyourday on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:47AM (#31492829)
> I hate bringing the negative energy, but there is a treasure of apps available with f-droid other than these.

That's the problem with OSS and F-droid in general. Tons of apps. Very few polished enough for use of general population.

Simple is great. Simple Gallery Pro blows away every single gallery app on the market. A few minor bugs that the author(s) keep addressing.

P.S. Developers of useful apps should be able not to live on Ramen. They should be able to eat whatever they want and buy a house. Screw the entitled crowd who say "Shit should be free, open source blah blah" without maintaining a polished product for a few years.

Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by rchaud on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @11:22AM (#31493288)
We are past that point. The old complaint used to be that Android users don't want to pay, so iOS got all the cool apps that cost $2-$10 and Android got ad-ridden 'free' apps.

Now everything is on a subscription basis, regardless of which OS you use. Even 'dumb' apps like music players and file managers, that don't require online access are being priced this way.

Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by notyourday on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @12:10PM (#31493908)
And Android apps still suck donkey balls as those who normally would pay for them say "Just use stuff form the F-droid. I kind of works, ignore non-polished interface"
Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by josephcsible on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:29AM (#31492600)
Wait, are you saying even the F-Droid versions nag you? I've never seen that.
Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by rchaud on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @11:14AM (#31493182)
I use Simple Mobile Gallery Pro from F-droid and have never been bugged for a rating or upgrade.
Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by JeremyNT on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @01:27PM (#31495008)
I've used several of their tools from F-Droid and haven't seen this either.

I wonder if parent accidentally installed the Play Store version, or if there are only one or two of the apps that have this particular anti-feature.

Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by teawrecks on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @12:11PM (#31493927)
I use the calendar and gallery from f-droid. No nags here. Didn't even know that was a thing.
Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by zimbatm on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @12:37PM (#31494309)
User buys a $600.- phone and then complains about a $2.- app. It's not enough that the application is open source, it should also be completely free of charge!
Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by teknopaul on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @01:18PM (#31494902)
Yes, if its Open Source it should be free of charge.

Open Source means something, not just that the source code is available.

Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by matkoniecz on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @02:26PM (#31495768)
> Yes, if its Open Source it should be free of charge.

Nope.

> Open Source means something, not just that the source code is available.

That the source is openly licensed. Providing paid version is a different thing.

Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by teknopaul on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @04:36PM (#31497281)
Read the manual

"there must be a well-publicized means of obtaining the source code for no more than a reasonable _reproduction_ cost, preferably downloading via the Internet without charge"

The software itself MUST be free, and the _reproduction_ costs reasonable.

You cannot add clauses that make me pay money or restrict my use. It must be free as in beer to use and redistribute either modified or in its original form.

When you pay for a copy you don't buy rights to use the open source software, you already had them. You buy the paper it's printed on.

And you can't deliberately make it hard for me to compile either.

Arguably nagware is that.

If you own _all_ the rights you can also release a version for cash, but if you then tell people that you are selling them open source software, and you sell them a version for which the source code is not freely available you are breaking the law/rules.

Even if that change is just removing the nagware.

Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by forgotpwd16 on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @07:18PM (#31498687)
The quote you have put there says nothing about binaries, only the source code. And indeed the source code has essentially no reproduction cost since it's downloadable via the Internet without charge as it's preferred.

>you sell them a version for which the source code is not freely available

But the source code IS freely available. All the nagware/restrictions/whatever is in there as a build option. Play Store builds have them enabled unless you buy a license, F-Droid & GitHub builds have them disabled.

In any case it seems you're mistaken about what free software exactly entails, and what is and is not allowed by GPL. For a TL;DR refer to the ones behind it.

https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#GPLCommercially

>You are allowed to sell copies of the modified program commercially, but only under the terms of the GNU GPL. Thus, for instance, you must make the source code available to the users of the program as described in the GPL, and they must be allowed to redistribute and modify it as described in the GPL.

Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by zimbatm on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @12:39PM (#31506939)
If you want the convenience of having pre-packaged build, pay for it.

Or get the source code for free, and build it yourself.

What's the problem? Pay for convenience.

Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by lupire on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @01:19PM (#31494914)
What do you imagine Open Source means?

None of the inventors or well-known stewards of Open Source ideas share your belief.

Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by teknopaul on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @01:52PM (#31495297)
Open source licenses are licenses that comply with the Open Source Definition — in brief, they allow software to be freely used, modified, and shared.

https://opensource.org/licenses

Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by detaro on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @02:27PM (#31495788)
And how do these apps not allow that?
Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by teknopaul on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @01:53PM (#31495319)
Unnecessary restrictions on use such as changing the colour of the gui, is not within the general goals of Open source software.
Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by ffpip on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @03:07PM (#31496250)
You can free to change the color of the GUI in the code and build it yourself. Change the values here to your liking - https://github.com/SimpleMobileTools/Simple-Commons/blob/mas... .
Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by duxup on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:49AM (#31492850)
I have no problem paying for some features if that is what it takes to keep folks making / updating these apps.
Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by thow34wqway on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @01:33PM (#31507740)
If you don't mind please list the f-droid apps you use regularly. I have been few apps for the past few months and the apps have small memory footprint and have great performance.
Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by glook on Saturday May 28, 2022 @07:34AM (#31539491)
Notification Cron - This is a great way to use your phone for reminders and learn Quartz Cron.

SunTimes - This app will set alarms at certain sun/moon points in the day. So whatever time sunrise is at your location an alarm can go off. I like to use it to let me know when Golden Hour starts and the day is almost ending.

QuillNote - I love this note taking app, and have taken to posting thoughts there to lower the number of tweets/posts I send. I get the dopamine rush of typing out and saving my thought, and it all stays local.

Mindful Notifier - Whenever this bell goes off (and I set it random between 90 minutes and 120 minutes) I take three very deep breaths. The sayings are okay, but the healthy intake of oxygen is great.

SMS Scheduler - An older app, but a great way to send a text at a later time. My daughter has a different work schedule than I do, so I schedule texts to her for when work is done. Also, if someone asks me to remind them of something later, I schedule the text and it sends as a reminder.

Dodge - Simple game of getting across the screen. My record is 13.

Snotz - I like this for non-thoughts (Quillnote) but tend towards quillnote more. It's a note taking app with nice colors.

FOSS Browser - This is a nice simple browser for when I don't want to be tracked.

Nunti - Pretty good feed reader that supposedly uses AI to tell what stories to share. I'm still training it, but prefer it over online news aggregation.

Vector Pinball - I played this game longer than I should have.

1list - great shopping list app, or any other list you may need to make, and all stays local.

Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by jasonm23 on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @05:37AM (#31502273)
You didn't bring any negative energy.

The app developer did that.

Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by lkxijlewlf on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @12:05PM (#31493843)
I use the calendar (installed from f-droid) and I don't recall being nagged. Haven't found an alternative calendar that I like better.
Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by thow34wqway on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @10:03AM (#31504658)
Re:A group of open source Android apps without ads or unnece... by wooque on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @11:15AM (#31493197)
works on my phone, using Simple Notes and Simple Gallery and no nags here