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Re:Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard by jamesbfb on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @09:14AM (#31491613)
> which can work with any OS, incl. firmware updates.

Keyboard that needs firmware updates? Yuck. It’s an input device. I’ll stick with my 12 year old WASD Code and Model M thank you very much.

/end boomer

Re:Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard by FireBeyond on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:28AM (#31492591)
Typing this from my WASD Code Keyboard, that I love - am on my third (mostly coffee spills, not mechanical failure)...

... you do realize that these guys have firmware updates, too?

https://support.wasdkeyboards.com/hc/en-us/articles/36001851...

Re:Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard by morsch on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @11:23AM (#31493311)
I kind of would have expected a $175 keyboard to survive a coffee spill. It doesn't really happen anymore, but as a kid I must have spilled soda on my no-name keyboards once a month, with no ill effects.
Re:Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard by Root_Denied on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @01:34PM (#31495089)
One benefit of membrane keyboards is that the membrane would prevent liquids from reaching down into the sensor components.

That being said, I've resurrected my WASD Code keyboard a few times from coffee and water spills. It can be taken apart and cleaned with rubbing alcohol, left to dry, and reassembled pretty easily. I usually do this anyway every 18-24 months at this point for sanitary reasons.

Re:Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard by bayindirh on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @09:16AM (#31491632)
No. Logitech sometimes push firmware updates for their receivers for security reasons.

While my G700 is also capable of firmware updates, they didn't push anything to it since I bought it a decade ago.

Re:Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard by newsclues on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:37AM (#31492702)
Yeah, security updates for my keyboard is not a selling feature.
Re:Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard by tekknik on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @11:57AM (#31493749)
Literally any keyboard running over USB has software. They’re not as simple devices as people think.
Re:Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard by tmottabr on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @02:21PM (#31495697)
it is not for the keyboard.. it is for the wireless interface that it uses to connected to the computer and the dongle..

the unifying dongle had some security problems detected in the past that required firmware updates to fix..

Re:Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard by alophawen on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @12:05PM (#31493850)
The Logitech unifying receiver is FUBAR and no firmware updates will remedy that.
Re:Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard by bayindirh on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @01:15PM (#31494854)
That's a pretty strong opinion on something so widely deployed and can work without any problems in a place which is very polluted with radio traffic and jamming in some frequencies.

I had a Microsoft Bluetooth mouse which constantly lost connection where I live. No Logitech receiver even skipped in that place.

Re:Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard by alophawen on Thursday May 26, 2022 @03:16AM (#31515608)
You say it is an opinion but Logitech did abandon the receiver because they could not fix the security and instead released the Logitech Bolt with encrypted communication between peripherals, in order to not lose more corporate customers due to crappy security.
Re:Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard by bayindirh on Thursday May 26, 2022 @07:00AM (#31516907)
If my mind is not playing games with me, Unifying is around 10 years old at this point. It might be inadequate in today’s world, but it had a pretty good run for something like that.

They may had to make breaking changes to it at some point, but it’s already old technology, so moving to bolt doesn’t make Logitech an incompetent company in my eyes.

Re:Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard by tmottabr on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @02:17PM (#31495632)
i guess this is why new products are using the Bolt receiver instead, that they claim is not compatible with the older Unifying receiver..

On the other hand, if the Bolt is any better then the Unifying only time will tell, but i do not have my hope up..

Re:Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard by utexaspunk on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @09:43AM (#31491989)
"What's that? I couldn't hear you over my keyboard clacking!"
Re:Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard by Kerrick on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @09:53AM (#31492130)
I bought a mechanical keyboard with clicky blue switches and brought it to work at my open office company.

Very quickly my coworkers encouraged me to buy one with silent clear switches.

I now own two.

The clicky one stays at home.

Re:Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard by seanmcdirmid on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:54AM (#31492922)
I chose to WFH over RTO because I really like using my mechanical keyboard.
Re:Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard by wing-_-nuts on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @11:11AM (#31493150)
I want a mechanical keyboard that's as quiet as possible. I assume you did research to find the best options. Would you have any resources available?
Re:Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard by tomtheelder on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @02:19PM (#31495667)
Silent linear switches are the quietest. If that's not an option, then linear switches with o-rings.

Also you frequently get quite a lot of noise from the stabilizers on the large keys. Your only real option there is to lube them, but that's not really feasible on most off the shelf keyboards.

Re:Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard by dotancohen on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @11:30AM (#31493410)
Quiet as possible: Reds (any company, I prefer Cherry).

Quiet enough that your coworkers won't hear it, yet very comfortable to type on for those new to mechanical keyboards: Browns.

Re:Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard by tekknik on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @11:58AM (#31493762)
Reds + orings, or brown + orings. A lot of the sound comes from someone bottoming out the keys.
Re:Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard by dotancohen on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @02:03AM (#31501105)
I seriously discourage the use of orings. Rather, new users should practice _not_ bottoming out, which is why I recommend Browns for new users.
Re:Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard by tekknik on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @11:41AM (#31506126)
What’s the reasoning against o-rings?
Re:Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard by dotancohen on Thursday May 26, 2022 @02:16AM (#31515254)
Orings reduce the total travel, probably by about 6-8mm judging by their thickness though I've not measured it. Traditional Cherries would register at about 25mm and bottom out at about 40mm. So the user would have to train to depress to at least 30 but no more than 35 mm depth. That takes practice, and practice requires making mistakes. The orings bring the bottom of the stroke up into the range where the user needs to practice releasing the key on his own. If you're bottoming out on a mechanical keyboard, you are negating the real benefit of the device.

I've not used the low-profile switches, but I believe that they activate at around 12mm and also bottom out at a lesser depth though I don't know where.

This is why I highly recommend browns (any manufacturer) for new mechanical keyboard users. It is much easier to train on the tactile browns. You could do it with blues as well, but blues are just too noisy for office work, and gamers say that they have too long a reset stroke to be good for gaming. Once the user gets used to not bottoming out on browns, moving to a Cherry red keyboard is absolutely amazing. Typing on reds feels like floating on a cloud, it becomes an enjoyable experience in its own right, once you learn to effortlessly not bottom out.

Re:Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard by tekknik on Friday May 27, 2022 @10:44AM (#31530245)
This seems an awful lot like you demanding users have a particular skill you want them to have for $reasons. This is silly, use orings.
Re:Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard by dotancohen on Friday May 27, 2022 @11:59AM (#31531142)
If the user is bottoming out on orings, then he might as well use a rubber dome keyboard. There is almost no benefit to using a mechanical keyboard if the user is bottoming out.

There are some terrific rubber dome keyboards. I actually use one occasionally as I like to rotate my equipment, to fend off the R in RSI.

Re:Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard by Kerrick on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:06PM (#31499837)
I did not do tons of research but I ended up with Cherry MX Clears.
Re:Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard by krallja on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:39AM (#31492729)
> open office company

They were so close to getting it, too.