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Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by hellomyguys on Thursday May 19, 2022 @06:54PM (#31441216)
"Political attacks on me will escalate dramatically in coming months" https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1526961470562508802

"In the past I voted Democrat, because they were (mostly) the kindness party.

But they have become the party of division & hate, so I can no longer support them and will vote Republican.

Now, watch their dirty tricks campaign against me unfold … " https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1526997132858822658

Interesting strategy of trying to get ahead of this..

Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by dfxm12 on Friday May 20, 2022 @11:38AM (#31448925)
It's disconcerting that a Republican considers this case of shedding light on sexual/power abuse a "political attack", but it's not surprising, given recent events.
Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by robswc on Thursday May 19, 2022 @08:40PM (#31442049)
Does it say when Insider contacted Musk?
Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by slg on Thursday May 19, 2022 @09:07PM (#31442210)
Two hours and change before Musk tweeted that.[1]. He could possibly be anymore transparent that his tweet was an attempt to preempt this story.

[1] - https://twitter.com/johnjcook/status/1527421611070177307

Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by robswc on Thursday May 19, 2022 @09:12PM (#31442234)
Assuming he's innocent, what was a better course of action?

I'd probably do the same thing. It may have been 2 hours before this story but he's been putting out "controversial" tweets for months.

I also have someone else telling me they contacted him years ago, still waiting on that source but no idea what to believe at this point.

Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday May 19, 2022 @09:22PM (#31442307)
> what was a better course of action?

Specifically rebut the claim. Cite the Insider reaching out and disclose first. Not denying the savviness of his strategy. But it’s so corrosive to our culture… We need better.

Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by robswc on Thursday May 19, 2022 @10:01PM (#31442518)
>Specifically rebut the claim

True, I will say that this doesn't look good. We also don't know what Insider actually even asked though.

I can agree in a perfect world, this strategy is underhanded. Let's say though that you received an email that has totally false allegations, what would the statement even read? Thankfully I've never been in such a position but I imagine I would say something similar to "there's going to be stupid stories coming out" vs "Insider is planning to publish a smear campaign against me" - which would just bring more attention to it.

Again, this is all assuming its a false allegation.

If its true, seems the best course of action would be to remain totally silent and not become the center of attention for the past few months.

Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by LightG on Friday May 20, 2022 @06:27PM (#31453301)
I wouldn't call it savvy. It's been entirely, nauseatingly, transparent...
Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by mzs on Thursday May 19, 2022 @11:25PM (#31443019)
"All of the allegations are false."
Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by robswc on Friday May 20, 2022 @10:45AM (#31448173)
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1527496917579612161

Looks like he has "denied" it on twitter.

I agree he should have denied it to Business Insider _but_, without knowing what Business Insider actually asked to get that response, I'll refrain from judging the answer.

Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by RivieraKid on Friday May 20, 2022 @01:38PM (#31450431)
He didn't deny the NDA and settlement. SpaceX could easily make a a statement that it didn't happen.
Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by robswc on Friday May 20, 2022 @04:49PM (#31452328)
>He didn't deny the NDA and settlement.

That doesn't prove/disprove anything.

>SpaceX could easily make a a statement that it didn't happen

Why? They have already settled.

Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by mzs on Friday May 20, 2022 @01:45PM (#31450504)
I guess - my hypothetical response attests that every claim is false, his that at least two are are untrue - which ones and just how untrue?

>And, for the record, those wild accusations are utterly untrue

And then he rapidly goes off the rails.

>But I have a challenge to this liar who claims their friend saw me “exposed” – describe just one thing, anything at all (scars, tattoos, …) that isn’t known by the public. She won’t be able to do so, because it never happened. … Moreover, the “friend” in question who gave the interview to BI, is a far left activist/actress in LA with a major political axe to grind.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1527518555641618433

> They began brewing attacks of all kinds as soon as the Twitter acquisition was announced.

>In my 30 year career, including the entire MeToo era, there’s nothing to report, but, as soon as I say I intend to restore free speech to Twitter & vote Republican, suddenly there is …

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1527629698267615232

I mean there's at least 750 thousand reasons now to believe that there is in fact something to report and that investigative journalists are now looking into what else there may be.

> Heard has been credited with donating $1.3 million in four installments, Dougherty said. But not all of the money came directly from her: $100,000 was from Depp, and another $500,000 is from a Vanguard account the ACLU believes to be associated with Elon Musk — whom Heard dated after her breakup with Depp.

https://www.npr.org/2022/04/29/1095571524/amber-heard-aclu-d...

Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by robswc on Friday May 20, 2022 @04:52PM (#31452360)
>I mean there's at least 750 thousand reasons now to believe that there is in fact something to report and that investigative journalists are now looking into what else there may be.

People have wanted to tear him down for years. I _really_ doubt there's anything else if upon the apex of his renouncing of democrats results in nothing more than allegations and hearsay.

I could be wrong... but I just don't see it happening.

Also, I fail to see how the Amber Heard stuff comes into play...

Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by pstuart on Thursday May 19, 2022 @07:01PM (#31441287)
But what if the allegations are true? Is Elon beyond reproach?
Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by purple_ferret on Thursday May 19, 2022 @07:18PM (#31441437)
It states right in the article he was in contact with them, so he knew the piece was coming out before he made those claims.
Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by perihelions on Thursday May 19, 2022 @07:32PM (#31441573)
- "For those interested, we reached out to the principals for comment regarding this story at ~9 a.m. eastern yesterday (Wednesday May 18)."

https://twitter.com/johnjcook/status/1527421611070177307

Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by hellomyguys on Thursday May 19, 2022 @07:07PM (#31441351)
I'm not implying they aren't true. Just pointing out Musk laying the groundwork to try and discredit whatever was coming.
Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by pstuart on Thursday May 19, 2022 @07:11PM (#31441383)
I deeply respect the achievements he's made but have lost any for him as a person.
Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by wahnfrieden on Thursday May 19, 2022 @07:53PM (#31441747)
Maybe you can find more respect for the contributions of his workers to those achievements, than he has as an anti-labor union buster employing illegal tactics
Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by pstuart on Thursday May 19, 2022 @10:00PM (#31442516)
That's not a problem. Obviously the success is only possible with the workers who actually make stuff happen.

I'm not a Musk fanboy but I recognize the power of someone with great intelligence and vision and is willing to bully to make it happen.

Case in point: there's 3 space companies run by billionaires, but only one of them is successful. I think it's his driving force that makes the difference.

It doesn't make him a good person, but it's evident that it is effective. As with Jobs, I can respect his achievements and not respect him.

Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by systemvoltage on Friday May 20, 2022 @12:20AM (#31443310)
Bill Gates was also pretty unruly, especially the 90's towards the early corporate era of Microsoft.

If allegations on Elon are true, it is unfortunate to have this stain on his rather remarkable vision for the future. We need more visionaries like Elon.

Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by mzs on Friday May 20, 2022 @01:06AM (#31443561)
"Reports of Bill Gates' alleged inappropriate relationships and sexual advances towards Microsoft employees…"

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/16/tech/microsoft-bill-gates-sex...

"Melinda French Gates voiced concerns about her husband’s relationship with Jeffrey Epstein and a harassment claim against his money manager. He also had an affair with an employee."

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/16/business/bill-melinda-gat...

Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by pstuart on Friday May 20, 2022 @12:12PM (#31449408)
I was not a fan of Gates when MS was the 800 pound gorilla in tech. Embrace, extend, extinguish was deplorable.

When he started on the Gates Foundation and became a philanthropist it helped reform him in my eyes. But the latest revelations have undone much of that.

Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by systemvoltage on Friday May 20, 2022 @04:01PM (#31451870)
I'm with you. Bill went from uncool to cool, back to uncool now.
Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by robswc on Thursday May 19, 2022 @08:45PM (#31442094)
He's been "laying the ground work" long before this happened, not at all the first time he's taken shots at "leftists."

Insider says they contacted him 9am yesterday.

Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by mhh__ on Thursday May 19, 2022 @10:54PM (#31442828)
Legally no (in general, if there was a settlement paid then presumably it's done already), practically probably yes - he's rich.
Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by rvz on Thursday May 19, 2022 @08:49PM (#31442117)
And so the news archeologists begin digging 'artefacts' about Musk:

Submit to the current agenda or your skeletons will be dug up and shown to the world.

Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by MallocVoidstar on Thursday May 19, 2022 @08:52PM (#31442132)
Both of the cited tweets were made after he was informed about the article. The journalist did not report this because of those tweets.
Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by cato_the_elder on Thursday May 19, 2022 @11:17PM (#31442963)
Not because of that one particular tweet, but probably because he dared to say things which violated their narratives.
Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by rvz on Friday May 20, 2022 @04:11AM (#31444640)
Yes, exactly. Hence the internet archaeologists digging up anything they don't like and that the mainstream media, doing what it does best with their smearing.
Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by codefreeordie on Thursday May 19, 2022 @10:42PM (#31442759)
How sure are you that this isn't one of said attacks?

This story (and the degree to which it is being artificially pushed, including by being posted on HN every 3 minutes to make sure it gets seen) is well within the range of usual "dirty tricks" attacks that come out whenever someone publicly sets themselves against the democratic party.

Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by mzs on Thursday May 19, 2022 @11:23PM (#31443005)
His non-denial-denial is a pretty big tip-off.

>After Insider contacted Musk for comment, he emailed to ask for more time to respond and said there is "a lot more to this story."

>"If I were inclined to engage in sexual harassment, this is unlikely to be the first time in my entire 30-year career that it comes to light," he wrote, calling the story a "politically motivated hit piece."

>Insider extended the deadline and reiterated the offer to Musk to comment on the claims. He did not respond.

Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by codefreeordie on Thursday May 19, 2022 @11:43PM (#31443114)
Just playing devil's advocate here for a second, but, if you were accused of such a thing, you knew you hadn't done it, and you knew that the newspaper offering to run your comments along with their story was part of a plot to smear you with baseless attacks, would you give them a comment for them to run knowing they would only use it if they could make you look more guilty?

I'm not saying this is what happened in Musk's case. Maybe he is guilty -- wouldn't be the first rich guy (or just, the first guy) caught doing something like this. Just saying, Musk became Enemy No 1 of the left and then almost immediately, a sexual-deviancy charge appears from long ago and is being obviously aggressively pushed across all platforms, and it'd be irresponsible not to wonder, given how often the left gets caught using this exact tactic.

Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by mzs on Thursday May 19, 2022 @11:45PM (#31443128)
I would immediately reply, "All of the allegations are false."
Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by codefreeordie on Thursday May 19, 2022 @11:52PM (#31443162)
Possibly so. And that is a reasonable choice. That phrasing is cautious -- it is very direct and very short, and doesn't contain any descriptive text, so it's harder for an enemy to spin it in their narrative.

At least, in the 3 minutes I was willing to spend thinking about it, I couldn't dream up a way to use that quote to imply your guilt.

Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by LightG on Friday May 20, 2022 @06:30PM (#31453326)
It's so simple when you're innocent...

When you're guilty, not so much...

I dont know all of the facts but I'm a decent speculator.

Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by dekhn on Friday May 20, 2022 @05:44PM (#31452901)
What if some of the allegations are partially true, or there's context to the allegation that matters?
Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by thereare5lights on Thursday May 19, 2022 @10:52PM (#31442816)
> How sure are you that this isn't one of said attacks?

I'd bet up to $1000 that it's true.

Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by onesafari on Thursday May 19, 2022 @11:23PM (#31443012)
I'd bet $1000 that it's another half true, half exaggerated "awkward nerd misreads woman and makes her uncomfortable" story.
Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by fzeroracer on Thursday May 19, 2022 @11:39PM (#31443093)
I don't think awkward nerds prefer to be slandered by being lumped in with someone that whips out their dick and commits sexual assault.
Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by BipolarCapybara on Thursday May 19, 2022 @11:38PM (#31443081)
Yeah, how can you possibly misread someone so badly that you touch her without her permission and show her your penis?
Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by onesafari on Friday May 20, 2022 @10:25AM (#31447838)
That's literally heresay. We don't know what happened.
Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by BipolarCapybara on Friday May 20, 2022 @10:47AM (#31448196)
He didn't even deny the allegations!
Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by dekhn on Friday May 20, 2022 @05:44PM (#31452903)
He has now.
Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by emteycz on Friday May 20, 2022 @09:51AM (#31447377)
This is the guy who has promised a girl to show her "his rocket" and then went to a hotel room with her and proceeded to show her his rocket (his ex-wife told this story). I am not sure what really happened during this flight, but let's wait for the full story, and let's be a little accommodating if it turns out his Asperger's might be the actual issue here.
Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by encryptluks2 on Thursday May 19, 2022 @10:53PM (#31442826)
People submit stories for karma, that is what they do. Let's not forget about the nonstop Hunter Biden laptop stories on social media, or back when Clinton was running about her hitlist and Qanon rhetoric. It isn't one party guilty or responsible. Republicans have this victimized cult mentality and it is sickening, when if you look at their history they are just as culpable, if not more so at times.
Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by codefreeordie on Thursday May 19, 2022 @11:06PM (#31442898)
This is, to use one of the left's favorite terms, pure whataboutism.

As far as "victimized cult mentality" goes, I really don't think Republicans rate, really. They mostly don't participate in the victimhood-industrial complex.

Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by kevincrane on Thursday May 19, 2022 @11:18PM (#31442970)
Victimhood is literally their only party platform rn. Like, can you name even a single policy proposal they have that’s not waging a culture war fight?
Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by codefreeordie on Thursday May 19, 2022 @11:32PM (#31443052)
You set that bar too low.

Republicans support a variety of policies -- different ones support different policies, but they include:

Limiting abortion.

Decreasing illegal immigration.

Increased access to firearms.

Lower taxes, especially on incomes.

The elimination of Section 230 protections for large tech platforms.

An increase in domestic energy production, with an eye towards energy self-sufficiency.

A decrease in H1 visas.

Increased school choice, through a combination of charter schools, school vouchers, and home-schooling support.

Increased policing, especially the enforcement of misdemeanor theft, vandalism, trespass, and destruction of property.

Increased enforcement of drug laws, especially pertaining to methamphetamines, heroin, and fentanyl.

A decrease in cooperation with China.

You may oppose some or all of these policy positions, but you can't reasonably claim that they aren't policy positions. I tried to give you a smattering from across different types of policy, rather than just things in the news recently.

Shouldn't need saying, but this is not my list of policy goals. I have opinions, but they're not relevant to a discussion of whether the Republican party has or has not got a platform.

Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by systemvoltage on Thursday May 19, 2022 @11:57PM (#31443187)
DeSantis' State of the State address had many moderate points (and a few progressive points – increasing apprenticeships, college funding, better wages for teachers, etc.): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6PIanB0DHU
Re:SpaceX Paid $250k to a Flight Attendant Who Accused Musk ... by CharlesW on Thursday May 19, 2022 @11:17PM (#31442962)
> As far as "victimized cult mentality" goes, I really don't think Republicans rate, really. They mostly don't participate in the victimhood-industrial complex.

Pre-Trump, maybe. The GOP is post-Trump now. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/conservati...