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Re:Plagiarized in a plagiarism atonement essay by zw123456 on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @11:21PM (#31418913)
OK, here is my unrelated plagiarism story... I was in high school waaaayyyy back in 1974, before the internet lads. I was in AP path and one class we had to take was a creative writing class, the assignment was to write a poem. I was completely stumped, so I copied the lyrics off the back of a Rick Wakeman Album (Journey to the center of the earth). The teacher said, "one student handed in the most fantastic work" then said my name asked me to read it in front of the class. I did, a few students caught on, but they did not rat me out because they said they were going to use the same idea themselves on the next assignment. I got an A, but it was a dufus move by a dumb kid.

I just don't understand today how anyone can think they could get away with plagiarism with computers and the internet etc.

Re:Plagiarized in a plagiarism atonement essay by mizzao on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @12:41AM (#31419283)
Oh, they sure as heck are gonna get away with it, see this Twitter thread: https://twitter.com/sharplm/status/1524024667576619008

Students are going to generate writing they didn't do with GPT-3

And teachers are going to use the discriminator part of a GAN to figure out if students did their own writing

Re:Plagiarized in a plagiarism atonement essay by zw123456 on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @12:55AM (#31419354)
OMG, so nothing ever changes, the game has just been upped is all!

But here is sort of the funny thing, as I have gotten older, I have grown to appreciate things like poetry a lot more and have even tried my hand at it a few times for fun.

I guess it just proves the old adage "retirement is wasted on the old and school is wasted on the young". Not sure who said that. I probably just committed plagiarism for not including an attribution. Sorry to whomever said it, wait, let me copy some Tracy Chapman Lyrics for the apology :)

Re:Plagiarized in a plagiarism atonement essay by InCityDreams on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @04:09AM (#31420342)
I think you're thinking of "Sorry seems to be the long3st word " (c) Elvis John.
Re:Plagiarized in a plagiarism atonement essay by tkgally on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @08:12AM (#31421782)
One kind of AI-enabled plagiarism that can be very difficult to detect is done by students who are writing in a second language. They copy-and-paste text from Wikipedia (or whatever) in their first language into DeepL or Google Translate and submit the output to their teachers as if it were their original work.

Teachers sometimes become suspicious because the students’ submitted texts contain many fewer grammatical errors and nonidiomatic expressions than the students’ speech or in-class writing. But it is hard to prove plagiarism if the teachers cannot do web searches in the students’ first language.

I did hear once, though, of a cut-and-paste MT translation being caught by a teacher because it included some large unique numbers, which did appear in a Google search.

A related issue that writing teachers are struggling to come to terms with is whether second-language writers are cheating when they use MT to translate texts that they originally wrote in their first language. Some teachers, especially in language-focused classes, believe that the use of MT hurts the students’ language acquisition and thus defeats one purpose of the writing assignments; they also think it is unfair to other students who struggle to write in the second language without the help of MT. Other teachers believe that writers should be allowed to use whatever tools are available to them as long as their content is original.

Re:Plagiarized in a plagiarism atonement essay by ghaff on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @08:32AM (#31421958)
Really interesting question and I can see both sides.

After all, it's arguably only one step away from Grammarly correcting errors and otherwise fine-tuning your writing. I don't personally use it but I know people who swear by it. And presumably almost no one would consider that cheating.

Re:Plagiarized in a plagiarism atonement essay by bambax on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @02:08AM (#31419716)
Using GPT-3 is cheating, but it could be argued it's not "plagiarism" per se.

Plagiarism is copying someone else's work; using AI (or an essay farm manned by humans) is outsourcing the creation of a new thing.

Re:Plagiarized in a plagiarism atonement essay by fourthark on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @08:09AM (#31421751)
Isn't it a grey line whether GPT-3 creates an original work or a derivative of potentially thousands of works?

There was the famous example where Copilot regenerated some John Carmack code verbatim with cussing comments, presumably because that code had been copied many times already.

Somewhere I read about GPT-3 committing clear plagiarism in English text, too, i.e. drawing way too much from one source and reproducing it.

Re:Plagiarized in a plagiarism atonement essay by withinboredom on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @05:27AM (#31420712)
AIs can’t have copyright. So it’s not even cheating. They just used tools is all. If the rules say you can’t use an AI (maybe spellcheck, depending how define AI and grammar check would be cheating), then it would be cheating.
Re:Plagiarized in a plagiarism atonement essay by karatinversion on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @06:32AM (#31421087)
I don't think the notion of copyright enters into it at all. Schools generally have policy to the effect that anything submitted must be the student's own work, not that another entity cannot have copyright over it. You couldn't submit out-of-copyright text without attribution, either.
Re:Plagiarized in a plagiarism atonement essay by withinboredom on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @06:34AM (#31421091)
What I’m saying is that AI can’t legally “own” text, thus it is legally your own creation.
Re:Plagiarized in a plagiarism atonement essay by ghaff on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @07:43AM (#31421548)
As the parent said, plagiarism has very little to do with copyright or legalities. If a human essay farm assigns the copyright of what they've written to you--which is very common in a work for hire situation--it's still cheating in the eyes of pretty much any school.

ADDED: There is a degree of I know cheating when I see it. But, absent specific instructions to the contrary, spell checkers and grammar checkers/recommenders seem to fall pretty clearly into the assistive tools category whereas GPT-3 does not.

Re:Plagiarized in a plagiarism atonement essay by withinboredom on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @11:12AM (#31423788)
The author still had to write the prompt, edit it, etc. these are still skills that are (imho) more valuable than the writing itself. It is no more “assistive” than turning “waht” into “what”. In both cases the computer must infer what I mean and replace it with the appropriate string.

Legalities do matter here. The definition is “taking someone else’s work.” AI (currently) has no rights and no ownership. It is an “it” and not a “someone.” You are using a tool, an advanced tool that should be dealt with on a case by case basis. IOW, “don’t bring a graphing calculator.”

Re:Plagiarized in a plagiarism atonement essay by karatinversion on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @12:53PM (#31424980)
No, this does not enter into it at all. The universities set their assessment policies how they see reasonable, and will generally not allow auto-generated text. Just like it is not illegal to have a smartphone in an exam, but you can still be failed for it if it’s against the rules of the university.
Re:Plagiarized in a plagiarism atonement essay by withinboredom on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @01:30PM (#31425391)
Not to be tooo pedantic, but you agree spellcheck is against the rules? It’s “auto-generated text.”

But it appears we are on the same page. If it’s directly against the rules, that’s different (like bringing an advanced calculator to an elementary math exam). But it def isn’t plagiarism.

Re:Plagiarized in a plagiarism atonement essay by dredmorbius on Friday May 20, 2022 @09:24AM (#31447035)
If you didn't create it, it isn't your creations. It's algorithmic output.
Re:Plagiarized in a plagiarism atonement essay by withinboredom on Saturday May 21, 2022 @02:07AM (#31455654)
You can argue that it is no different than spell check and grammar check. It takes your inaccurately written text and turns it into accurate text. It doesn’t generate anything from thin air, so no. It isn’t “algorithmic output” unless we want to consider other tools as “algorithmic output” as well.
Re:Plagiarized in a plagiarism atonement essay by dredmorbius on Saturday May 21, 2022 @09:34AM (#31457744)
Spellcheck works (and often fails) at the level of individual words. Grammar checkers involve more extensive sets of relationships, typically at the level of a sentence, but are still limited to parts-of-speech agreement, relationships, tenses, and the like.

GPT-3 is constructing entire narratives from prompts. It operates at the level of multiple sentences and paragraphs, to the scope of an entire essay itself. Based on a provided prompt, it generates an essay.

By your same logic, an instructor assigning a class essay would be considered the author of those essays as that instructor had generated the prompt.

Moreover, as a matter of pedagogy, where a course either assigns group work (such that multiple students are contributing to an essay), or requires drafts and reviews with an instructor, TA, or other students as part of the overall essay-writing assignment, those become acknowledge parts of the process. In the case of the draft / review / revise cycle, it would seem that that is one way of putting a check on AI-generated essays, at least for now, as though generators can follow prompts, they're rather more limited in taking criticism well, and adapting to it.

Re:Plagiarized in a plagiarism atonement essay by withinboredom on Sunday May 22, 2022 @04:52AM (#31466175)
> By your same logic, an instructor assigning a class essay would be considered the author of those essays as that instructor had generated the prompt.

Hol up, didn't you just describe academic research?! Sounds like we're on the right path here.

Re:Plagiarized in a plagiarism atonement essay by dredmorbius on Friday May 20, 2022 @03:13PM (#31451403)
Plagiarism is at heart claiming as your own what isn't.

If it's somebody else's, give them credit.

If it's algorithm or automated output, say so.

Re:Plagiarized in a plagiarism atonement essay by icambron on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @11:47PM (#31419044)
There is an SNL skit about doing this

https://youtu.be/EWEX2jXSyFY

Re:Plagiarized in a plagiarism atonement essay by zw123456 on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @12:22AM (#31419211)
LOL, never saw that one, hahaha, I am sure I was not the first to do that and not the last :) would never work today with turnitin.com etc.
Re:Plagiarized in a plagiarism atonement essay by jrootabega on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @11:10AM (#31423766)
A few of us got away with it in the early 90's reciting Spin Doctors and Metallica lyrics. The trick was to use a deep cut. I don't think the teacher would have even recognized a radio single, but she may have picked up on all our poems being "verse verse chorus verse chorus"!
Re:Plagiarized in a plagiarism atonement essay by Tade0 on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @04:32AM (#31420460)
My class in middle school was 80% honor students - each and every one of their presentations was Wikipedia copied verbatim.

Looking at the results of the final exam it should have been at most 20%.

To this day I wonder what kind of upbringing they had that they felt the need to cut corners like that at such an early age.

Re:Plagiarized in a plagiarism atonement essay by fitch321 on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @01:42AM (#31419590)
There are tools to escape plagiarism detection: https://www.paraphraser.io/
Re:Plagiarized in a plagiarism atonement essay by zrobotics on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @03:33AM (#31420151)
For something that I knew would be challenging, I threw the first 4 lines of Howl at it and got:

Paraphrased:"I have seen the best hearts of my generation destroyed by madness and hysterically naked and hungry, Going through Negro Street at dawn, looking for a ferocious solution, An angel-headed hipster, burning on a machine at night, after an ancient celestial connection to a dynamo in the starry sky. In the supernatural darkness of a cold-water apartment floating on the roof of the city thinking of jazz, a poor, tattered, dented eye smoker"

Original:" I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked, dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for an angry fix, angelheaded hipsters burning for the ancient heavenly connection to the starry dynamo in the machinery of night, who poverty and tatters and hollow-eyed and high sat up smoking in the supernatural darkness of cold-water flats floating across the tops of cities contemplating jazz"

I was expecting basically thesaurus substitutions, and that is mainly what it did. However, there was some amount of sentence reordering as well. Not sure this would pass plagiarism detection tools though. However, I chose something specifically difficult to paraphrase, and honestly the results aren't bad.

Re:Plagiarized in a plagiarism atonement essay by aaplok on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @02:15AM (#31419751)
"A prime number is a number that is only divisible by one and by itself." becomes "A prime number is a number that is divisible by just one."

I'd say, avoid.

Re:Plagiarized in a plagiarism atonement essay by zw123456 on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @01:49AM (#31419622)
It's like an arms race.