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Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by holoduke on Sunday May 08, 2022 @03:26PM (#31307318)
The should make a movie in which a person gets expelled from society because of a bug. In his long quest for his reinstatement, he needs to endure the great corrupted algorithms trying to erase him for good.
Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by ChuckMcM on Sunday May 08, 2022 @03:28PM (#31307335)
I give you "Brazil" (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088846/)

edit: typo corrected, thanks.

Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by MrPatan on Sunday May 08, 2022 @04:21PM (#31307798)
Love it. The "studio ending" makes it even more Orwellian, to the point I wonder if they did that on purpose. (Can that much competence be true?)
Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by a-dub on Sunday May 08, 2022 @04:11PM (#31307710)
one of my all-time favorites! ...aaand this is my receipt, for your receipt.
Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by tomc1985 on Sunday May 08, 2022 @05:53PM (#31308459)
Wonderful movie, but good god is it long and hard to watch at times
Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by ss2003 on Sunday May 08, 2022 @07:38PM (#31309044)
So is life
Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by 0des on Monday May 09, 2022 @12:51AM (#31310750)
Settle down Nietzsche its going to be okay.
Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by aasasd on Sunday May 08, 2022 @07:11PM (#31308886)
Exactly, the first thing that comes to mind.

Alas, watching Gilliam's other films gets more and more difficult, even though he tries to make the same movie again and again, for almost forty years now. But ‘Brazil’ was a home run on the first attempt.

Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by javajosh on Sunday May 08, 2022 @10:31PM (#31309849)
Yes, Time Bandits was just an attempt to remake Brazil. So was Imaginarium. /s
Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by aasasd on Sunday May 08, 2022 @11:08PM (#31310105)
‘Time Bandits’ was before, so it's the other way around.

Besides, you might be unfamiliar with the fact that Gilliam referred to ‘Bandits’, ‘Brazil’ and ‘Munchausen’ as a trilogy about the same thing. Which trilogy evidently ended up having at least nine films in it, excepting ‘F&L’ and me having not watched ‘Quixote’ yet (the latter's theme obviously follows the rest, though).

Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by aasasd on Monday May 09, 2022 @03:22AM (#31311509)
As for a full-on remake: that's ‘Zero Theorem’. I can only guess that Gilliam lost hope in the subtler approach, and wanted to have at least something new that would get out of ‘Brazil’'s shadow. Which didn't work at all.

Perhaps Tom Stoppard is the missing ingredient.

Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by 0des on Monday May 09, 2022 @12:52AM (#31310752)
Thought we were better than doing /s here.
Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by javajosh on Monday May 09, 2022 @05:30AM (#31312145)
In this case, it's a shorter version of "here are counter-examples to your assertion".
Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by als0 on Sunday May 08, 2022 @03:49PM (#31307533)
"Brazil"
Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by ineedasername on Sunday May 08, 2022 @04:03PM (#31307632)
Kafka explored this in great depth, albeit in analog form.

I don't think I fully appreciate the assignments to read Kafka in college until these algorithmic bans, ousting from app stores, automated support, etc came along. Before that I figured the human element could, in most cases even if it required extreme difficulty, sort things out eventually. Then came these heuristic algorithms that have practically become the platonic ideal if Kafka-esque systems.

Edit: While Amazon is very far from perfect and has dropped several notches in customer service, I will say that they are still very good compared to others. I can still get ahold of a real person that has some leeway for professional judgement when addressing a problem.

Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by heavyset_go on Sunday May 08, 2022 @07:25PM (#31308963)
I've yet to be able to reach a human at Amazon about counterfeit items sold on the platform, and my 15+ year old Amazon account was banned from leaving reviews after I left a bad review on an Amazon Basics purchase of a surge protector that didn't do what it was supposed to and fried some of my electronics.
Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by ineedasername on Sunday May 08, 2022 @08:36PM (#31309333)
Yes, I would have guessed that complaining something is sold on the platform wouldn't get you very far, that's way outside the range of a typical customer support rep. They have a place to report IP infringement, and I suppose counterfeits would come under that umbrella, but it's for the rights holders only to use. Not customers who might have purchased one or noticed one listed.

For standard run of the mill customer support they're still pretty great. I was shopping for new wireless earbuds last fall and tried out a few different ones. 2 of the 3 were defective and I didn't like the third-- they hurt my ears to wear them.

For the two defective ones, I'm not sure why but the normal return button wasn't available and I had to go through chat support. I explained they were defective and I wanted to return them. They told me they'd issue the refund, no need to actually mail them back, so I didn't have to go through that hassle. And these were high end ear buds, a total of $400 worth of tech.

Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by sitkack on Sunday May 08, 2022 @08:47PM (#31309379)
I have on of the not-sought-after Horowitz and Hill CE (counterfeit editions) [1]. Amazon was like, "lol, that was a marketplace purchase, no refund!" even though I just clicked "buy it now, prime shipping!" from the main product page.

Amazon sucks. It should be broken up.

[1] https://artofelectronics.net/the-book/counterfeit-editions/

Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by thetinguy on Sunday May 08, 2022 @11:05PM (#31310088)
Do you expect customer service representatives to evaluate your legal claim?
Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by heavyset_go on Monday May 09, 2022 @04:38AM (#31311861)
What a weird assumption.

I expect them to at least collect the information that I received, or suspect I have, a counterfeit item, when I go for a return. They don't even bother to do that.

Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by Dylan16807 on Sunday May 08, 2022 @11:11PM (#31310132)
I expect them to listen to my non-legal-code claim of "this is the wrong product".
Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by netik on Sunday May 08, 2022 @04:17PM (#31307763)
I agree with you fully - it was hard to understand Kafka (as a student) until presented with half a life of examples from society.
Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by lordnacho on Monday May 09, 2022 @02:45AM (#31311303)
This is basically what I think of everything I read about in English literature class in high school.

You're asked to comment on so many things that you haven't heard of. 19th century English class anxiety, extreme poverty in London, slavery and race relations in America, midcentury dystopias (global) and unreasonable justice systems in central Europe (?). All things an ordinary Scandinavian teenager at the end of the 21st century is not going to have a whole lot of perspective on until they've lived a little bit longer.

But then when you have lived that little bit longer it makes sense, and Kafka is probably the one that will come closest, having travelled quite nicely into the modern world and having a corporate version that most people will run into. Next is the dystopias that we see on the news but don't recognise when living in.

Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by commandlinefan on Sunday May 08, 2022 @08:59PM (#31309437)
And there’s no shortage of real people defending this behavior because “they’re a private company and they can do whatever they want.”
Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by imroot on Sunday May 08, 2022 @09:15PM (#31309509)
So, if I run a website, or a service, and there are people who abuse my service, and I can't take actions to protect myself and my other paying customers...I should be forced to allow those malicious actors an account and do what?
Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by yourapostasy on Monday May 09, 2022 @12:38AM (#31310686)
This hypothetical glosses over an essential missing element. The site owner is in control of gating who enters into a transactional relationship with their site or service.

Offering a false dichotomy between "be forced to allow those malicious actors an[d, sic] account" and "take actions to protect myself and my other paying customers" that have adverse impacts (many times with severe monetary damages) is externalizing the cost of poor gating control in the first place in the pursuit of pumping up subscriber numbers chasing the next funding round or quarterly call to brag upon. This is similar to financial services institutions flailing around "identity theft" to cover for gating control of their transactions implemented in pursuit of transaction liquidity over security.

Both take the externalized costs out of customer hides as both uncompensated time and monies spent to make good on unwinding transactions, and in making the aggregate customers pay for the direct costs of fixing the problematic transactions on the way, way back end. Both are a result of implementing poor security practices.

Both also will not scale to the coming era of hyper-converged global financial services. First mover advantage accrues to the one who fixes this challenge at the front end where they gate the transactions, cutting out the majority of the costs of fixing this on the back end after the transaction has been compiled and deployed into production so to speak, not coincidentally speeding up settlement, increasing liquidity, and grab the significant network effects that come with establishing such an infrastructure.

Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by thfuran on Monday May 09, 2022 @09:22AM (#31313682)
Not to mention that there's a significant difference between just some website and a trillion+ dollar company with significant monopoly power in multiple markets. Being banned from Google or Amazon is simply not equivalent to being banned from commenting on some travel blog.
Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by Dylan16807 on Sunday May 08, 2022 @11:13PM (#31310148)
You can ethically take blocking actions just fine if you allow for due process. The mere existence of bans is not what's being criticized. (Though I'd say bans generally shouldn't be lifetime either.)
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Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by jimmydorry on Monday May 09, 2022 @01:46AM (#31311026)
I'm sure there will come a reckoning at some point that results in the bar being lifted... much like we can no longer run restaurants out of our houses with no oversight from a governing health and hygiene entity.
Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by Mxs2000 on Monday May 09, 2022 @08:23AM (#31313226)
Talk about missing their whole point.
Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by aasasd on Sunday May 08, 2022 @07:36PM (#31309028)
While we're on the subject of Kafka: I've recently listened through an audiobook of ‘The Process’, and it turned out to be a new edition. Because apparently the original order of the chapters is not known, and Max Brod took some editorial liberties—so in this new recompilation, at least some semblance of a logical ordering is attempted.

It's important, though, to not listen to the introduction for too long, because it gives away the ending.

Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by behringer on Sunday May 08, 2022 @08:26PM (#31309288)
Not when it comes to an account ban. You become a pariah to support lines.
Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by nopenoperope on Sunday May 08, 2022 @03:32PM (#31307375)
Brazil is pretty much that movie if you haven't seen it already.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_(1985_film)

Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by colpabar on Sunday May 08, 2022 @05:13PM (#31308192)
Not exactly what you describe, but I saw this in theaters and thought it did a great job of showing the horrors that these humanless systems can create.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnbDNv3uAl0

Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by wand3r on Sunday May 08, 2022 @04:58PM (#31308088)
This is basically a digital version of Kafka's The Trial, and is just as aburdist because it kind of really happens
Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by drewzero1 on Sunday May 08, 2022 @11:59PM (#31310455)
There is an element of this idea in The Net (1995)[0]. A computer programmer finds her life has been turned upside down by a hacker after she accidentally uncovers a conspiracy.

[0] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113957/

Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by sharkweek on Sunday May 08, 2022 @03:34PM (#31307393)
This is why I named my son Droptable Stuxnet.exe Null
Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by zmix on Sunday May 08, 2022 @03:50PM (#31307537)
And from here we go on to https://xkcd.com/327/
Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by phillc73 on Monday May 09, 2022 @03:38AM (#31311577)
Not quite what you describe, but in this short film Utopia, similar themes are explored - exclusion from society due to non-compliance with the "digital lifestyle."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJYaXy5mmA8

Re:Tell HN: I was permanently banned from eBay in one hour by mhh__ on Sunday May 08, 2022 @11:36PM (#31310318)