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Re:Swarming drones autonomously navigate a dense forest by RealityVoid on Thursday May 05, 2022 @05:29AM (#31271290)
Is it really more terrifying somehow than a guy with a machine gun going and mowing down civilians? Or a maniac in a truck plowing in pedestrians. In effect, the other approaches are a lot more accessible to anyone.
Re:Swarming drones autonomously navigate a dense forest by CalRobert on Thursday May 05, 2022 @05:49AM (#31271395)
Yes, because it can scale massively and it removes even the chance of a moral reconsideration on the part of the killer. With a human soldier there's at least a chance they'll decide to disobey an order to murder innocent people.
Re:Swarming drones autonomously navigate a dense forest by RealityVoid on Thursday May 05, 2022 @06:46AM (#31271700)
How could smart drones scale massively more than firearms and trucks?

If anything, we see from the conflict in Ukraine that keeping smart weapons supplied in a modern conflict it a huge effort that needs a lot of interconnected players.

Re:Swarming drones autonomously navigate a dense forest by lm28469 on Thursday May 05, 2022 @08:12AM (#31272332)
This isn't the same problem at all. The weapons we have trouble supplying are huge (howitzer with smart rounds, &c.) and require good roads and rails

You could drop hundreds of autonomous drone by air, make them land somewhere and wait in standby until they get activated or detect a threat.

They scale massively because 1 guy with 100 rifles won't do much more than 1 guy with 1 rifle, 1 guy with 100 trucks won't move faster than 1 guy with 1 truck. 0 guy with 100 drones would potentially kill 100 guys simultaneously for cheap since switchblade style drones are glorified DJIs with a grenade straped at the front

Re:Swarming drones autonomously navigate a dense forest by RealityVoid on Thursday May 05, 2022 @08:50AM (#31272683)
I admit that control has the _possibility_ to scale well. Supply, on the contrary, it would be much harder to maintain.
Re:Swarming drones autonomously navigate a dense forest by sangnoir on Thursday May 05, 2022 @12:53PM (#31275735)
That's another point in favor of drones: you can skip field maintenance and do it a the home base and deploy/recover them at time of mission, en masse. Human soldiers has to maintain their equipment in the field/forward base - which is a different set of logistical problems
Re:Swarming drones autonomously navigate a dense forest by ramesh31 on Thursday May 05, 2022 @09:29AM (#31273050)
>How could smart drones scale massively more than firearms and trucks?

I suspect we will start seeing the first true drone swarm deployments in Ukraine over the next couple years. The world is simply not ready for how horrifying it will be. These things can be manufactured for a few hundred bucks a piece. Sony can pump out 10 million PlayStations in a few months. What happens when that kind of logistics and manufacturing is applied to kamikaze drones? You get swarms of tens of thousands of them. The entire future of land warfare from this point on will be an arms race between drone swarms. And the swarms will take on combined arms aspects; there will be AA, AT, AP, incendiary, electronic warfare, observation, and hunter-killer variants. Winning wars in the future will consist of choosing the correct size and makeup of your swarm to counter the enemy's capability.

Re:Swarming drones autonomously navigate a dense forest by ceejayoz on Thursday May 05, 2022 @06:51AM (#31271731)
One person can control, at most, about two guns and one truck at a time.
Re:Swarming drones autonomously navigate a dense forest by dougabug on Thursday May 05, 2022 @07:00AM (#31271801)
> One person can control, at most, about two guns and one truck at a time.

A really big gun, or missile (battery)…

Re:Swarming drones autonomously navigate a dense forest by jrimbault on Thursday May 05, 2022 @06:24AM (#31271577)
Isn't it the case that only 1 in X soldiers actually fires their weapon ? I think vaguely remember something to that effect.
Re:Swarming drones autonomously navigate a dense forest by RealityVoid on Thursday May 05, 2022 @06:43AM (#31271685)
If you refer to the WW1 claim floating around, then it is most likely false. If you are talking about the fact modern military has many nore support ropes than combat roles, then... yeah, but that tells nothing about the willingness to fire a gun.
Re:Swarming drones autonomously navigate a dense forest by pmoriarty on Thursday May 05, 2022 @07:57AM (#31272193)
There's a book on this called On Killing by David Grossman.[1]

"In World War II, only 15 to 20 percent of combat infantry were willing to fire their rifles. In Korea, about 50 percent. In Vietnam, the figure rose to more than 90 percent."

[1] - https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Psychological-Cost-Learning-S...

Re:Swarming drones autonomously navigate a dense forest by hnaccount_rng on Thursday May 05, 2022 @07:27AM (#31272008)
Re:Swarming drones autonomously navigate a dense forest by heavenlyblue on Thursday May 05, 2022 @04:46PM (#31278200)
I wonder what they start doing after enduring a single artillery barrage in a city. That must be horribly traumatising to see.

I recently came back home from travels and realised that our neighbour’s car burned down(I live in London), and it just struck me how horrible it looks like. That’s after seeing many videos of total destruction in Ukraine. It just never popped into my mind how unusual it is to see something like that.

That wasn’t even people dying, just practical realisation how not far we are from total civilisation collapse, if the majority of citizens wanted that.

Re:Swarming drones autonomously navigate a dense forest by Razengan on Thursday May 05, 2022 @06:02AM (#31271470)
Right now, what spooks you more:

That a person with a gun is coming to kill you

Or there are tiny machines floating outside your windows, in your vents, on your ceiling, ready to stab you with an undetectable poison the instant someone far away pushes a button..

Which do you think you have a better chance of spotting and defending against?

Re:Swarming drones autonomously navigate a dense forest by asdff on Thursday May 05, 2022 @08:14AM (#31272348)
Do you imagine that having these tiny machines deployed, maintained, and ready to go in disparate locations around the world is any easier than today where we have larger machines deployed, maintained, ready to go, but in fixed locations under tight control? I am more fearful of a missile silo, personally.
Re:Swarming drones autonomously navigate a dense forest by RealityVoid on Thursday May 05, 2022 @06:39AM (#31271665)
The answer is both are terrifying. If someone with a gun wants you dead, you die. I see no particular reason drones should be more terrifying than the other.
Re:Swarming drones autonomously navigate a dense forest by vba616 on Saturday May 07, 2022 @12:25AM (#31292136)
I'm picturing someone having trouble deciding who is the underdog in the original Terminator movie.

Also this:

https://xkcd.com/652/