Re:My skin was irritated for years until I found out why bec...
by jamesmunns on Sunday April 17, 2022 @10:17PM
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Since the article hid it way down at the end: He was allergic to a certain chemical that is commonly found in lots of scents and cleaners and things, specifically a chemical found in the air freshener at his office.
Asked work to change it, they did, no more reaction.
Re:My skin was irritated for years until I found out why bec...
by rrauenza on Monday April 18, 2022 @03:42AM
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First step is to make sure there is standing water in the floor drain traps. Nobody wet mops bathrooms regularly anymore so the dry floor drain trap allows sewer gas into the room.
Re:My skin was irritated for years until I found out why bec...
by foxyv on Monday April 18, 2022 @12:32PM
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Self cleaning toilets work pretty well for this. Odor doesn't just sit in the air if the room is ventilated at all. Usually it's a result of micro-organisms on surfaces covered in biological material and water. Most toilet odors are a result of a film of feces remaining on the bowl and seat after flushing. This is why, if you clean a toilet after using it, the odor will dissipate in less than a minute.
Regular cleaning, de-humidification, filling drain traps with water, and self cleaning toilets is more than enough to keep a restroom odor free.
Re:My skin was irritated for years until I found out why bec...
by foxyv on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @10:33AM
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Air freshener would be great if it worked. But it doesn't. The stuff I mentioned is the minimum except the self cleaning toilets. Even then, just leaving a toilet brush and some cleaner isn't a bad idea. I pay all those costs at home and it ain't breaking the bank I tell you.
Re:My skin was irritated for years until I found out why bec...
by weird-eye-issue on Monday April 18, 2022 @12:47AM
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Bathrooms don't smell bad inherently. If there is good ventilation then any bad smells will go away within a few minutes because toilets are quite effective. If your bathroom always smells bad it could be a plumbing issue
Re:My skin was irritated for years until I found out why bec...
by throwaway290 on Monday April 18, 2022 @11:34AM
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Smell of "air freshener" (incidentally, a blatant oxymoron) mixed with smell of excrement is in my personal top 5 of most horrible smells. It does nothing to hide the original smell, which is the job for ventilation, and once you have that you are really OK ditching the freshener.
Re:My skin was irritated for years until I found out why bec...
by gumby on Sunday April 17, 2022 @11:31PM
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There’s a product in the US called “Febreeze” (I have no idea what it means). The product initially failed: basically in anesthetized your nose (as most such products do: the choices are mast the smell with something stronger or shut down the noses). The problem was people didn’t think it worked. So they added a cloying scent that overrode the smell suppression and had a hit product.
Re:My skin was irritated for years until I found out why bec...
by desro on Monday April 18, 2022 @12:19AM
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This is not accurate.
> The active ingredient in several Febreze products is hydroxypropyl beta-cyclodextrin (HPβCD). The molecule traps and binds volatilized hydrocarbons within its structural ring, retaining malodorous molecules, which reduces their volatility and thus the perception of their scent. [0]
It seems that the P&G article promotes Febreze as a fabric refresher. It does not tell anything about the air fresheners from the same brand which are the topic of this thread.
Re:My skin was irritated for years until I found out why bec...
by Beltalowda on Monday April 18, 2022 @02:09AM
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> My task was made even harder because chemical one has so many alternative names which mean the same thing including: Acticide MBS / MBR, Algucid CH50, Amerstat 250, Euxyl K 100, Fennosan IT 21, Grotan K / TK2, Isocil(R) PC, Kathon CG / LX / WT, Lonzaserve(R) PC, Mergal K7, Metatin GT, Mitco CC 31/32 L, Neolone CapG / 950 / MxP, Optiphen, Parmetol A / DF / K ,Piror P109, Promex Alpha / BM, Proxel AQ / PL / XL2, Salicat MM / MI-10 / K100 / K145, Salimix MCI, Sharomix MI / , T / MCI, and Special Mx 323!
These are all brand names for methylisothiazolinone (or 5-Chloro-2-Methyl-4-Isothiazolin-3-One). I wish there was a clear labelling standard for these kind of things, similar to the "E numbers" for food additives in the EU. Something like "E531" is a lot easier to identify and remember than a long list of brand names, or even methylisothiazolinone. Even just using the CAS number would be better (although CAS 26172-55-4 isn't particularly easy to remember either, at least it's not a list of 37 synonyms).
Re:My skin was irritated for years until I found out why bec...
by daniel-cussen on Monday April 18, 2022 @05:14AM
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Yeah the edit distance of the names on that list tells you they're out to fuck the public. They're as different as they can possibly be, obviously on purpose. They want people to have no idea what the chemical is, not be able to look it up freely, and then...I'm divining right now...like tell them they got rid of it and put it back in again under a different name pretending it's not the same shit? Yeah so I read the article a bit, and it's a poison, makes perfect sense. So this allows like employee-prostitutes of the chemical company pretend they don't know what the customer is talking about, play dumb, total plausible deniability. Normally they would have to pretend to mishear you, over and over, and then flat out lie in an absolute black-is-white capacity that can be proven in court with no margin of error, in fact.
The closest second place to how guilty-mindedly deceptive those names are are the endless different names for terrorist organizations according to the CIA world factbook. Distant second place, though. Like there's no real comparison, I bet if I heard someone talk about Al Qaeda as "the Sunni-only real Muslim club" I'd just know. They don't have focus groups and psychologists testing what is the most deceptive synonym possible. Let's hope terrorists don't get any ideas from the chemical industry, knock on wood.
With these names in fact the guy can't rely on words, or thought, or documents, like he can only find out by getting poisoned by it first. The only sense he can detect it with is touch.
Re:My skin was irritated for years until I found out why bec...
by Beltalowda on Monday April 18, 2022 @06:46PM
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I don't know if it's on purpose to deceive; I'm not familiar with the chemical industry at all or if there are any reasons for this. I think it's more likely it's just different chemical companies trying to market/sell their product.
I do think the attitude of "oh, we tested it a little bit and it seems alright, let's put it in everything" probably not a good way to go about things, which has caused (and continues to cause) a lot of problems.
Re:My skin was irritated for years until I found out why bec...
by daniel-cussen on Monday April 18, 2022 @06:52AM
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Convince me you care about the answer. This is a Turing Test.
EDIT: You're doing pretty well so far, your delay is quite human. On the other hand, leetcodesucks replied to you quoting you as saying “Who hurt you” did you post and edit it out? You actually need to speak on your own behalf there, accusations in response to accusations are like questions in response to questions. I'm thinking of ways to flag you for human review, get the operator on the line. You can call that the Cussen Test, can a human reach the human behind the bot. It involves judging correctly if there is a human behind the bot, and giving up if there isn't. Bots are a myth, if you write with code it's not a bot writing, it's still a human, the man behind the curtain. Automated slander is still slander.
Re:My skin was irritated for years until I found out why bec...
by daniel-cussen on Monday April 18, 2022 @10:50AM
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Could you quote what you're replying to? Context. What stuff is bad for my heart?
EDIT: I loved this reply. I'll take any outcome except a tie. We're both farther away from neutrality. So for one you said I have a heart, OK I can't be polite enough to respect that, you fucked up, you know I'm a person because bots don't have hearts. I passed the Turing Test. And you are looking at my whole comment history it seems, the recent parts, because sure yeah I do talk about taking stuff in other threads, and I do say you can judge anything as you see fit, but your reply doesn't fit nicely into the conversation. So I as a matter of fact have a doctor already, maybe you should keep your insults to yourself instead of masquerading them as advice? Medical advice, at that. And the main concern with these stimulants is heart health. But in my case it does not, I took the medicine during a heart exam, no signs of problems. No heart pain. So that's odd, you are replying to my questions with answers to new questions, or medical advice, are you a psychiatrist perchance? Because you say I should stop taking it, aren't you going to ask my opinion in the matter of my psychiatric health, which I spend more money on than food? Surely I have say in the treatment, and also? Your medical advice was totally unsolicited. I never said,
So secondly, I might have gotten an operator on the line, so there's times I just don't know who's behind the characters in a string, no probability either way I just don't know. I may just have passed the Cussen Test. Well I passed your Turing Test, at least. Maybe the Cussen Test is harder.
So also, may I ask on what grounds you're giving me medical advice?
Re:My skin was irritated for years until I found out why bec...
by daniel-cussen on Monday April 18, 2022 @04:02PM
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Plus, I realize now the Turing Test and the Cussen Tests are part of the same test battery. The Turing Test was supposed to mean "a test designed by Alan Turing" but actually it means "a test designed for Alan Turing or his beloved AI" meaning "can I, Alan Turing, or the Artificial Intelligence into which I'm pouring my soul, fool homo sapiens into considering me, a strange digital thing they despise, or my AI of which the same is true, one of them, if I restrict the communication to digital text?" Then there's the Cussen Test, again for a digital thing, very similar to homo sapiens, but living in the third millennium. The test is, "can I fool a digital communication medium that despises me despite not having a soul, not into thinking I'm human, but into thinking I'm a human they don't despise to the point I'm one of them, and worth their time?" It's the reverse. In the first part, Alan Turing and his AI are appealing to me, someone who doesn't want to be represented by an AI, into accepting him as an equal. In the second, the tables have turned, and the human without an AI representing him appealing to the human who does have an AI representing him. The AI has become strong, it is no longer a toy, it has become much more. And the question is the same--does the one in power accept the one without that power?
Only over digital text, like our messages in this very thread. That makes the tests equivalent, otherwise the Turing Test would be too difficult and the Cussen Test would be trivial.
Re:My skin was irritated for years until I found out why bec...
by daniel-cussen on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @08:12PM
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Time's up. You failed the Turing Test, I pass the Cussen Test.
So I divine I got an operator on the line, a man in charge of the devb account read my comments, but what I wrote shut him up. I think he said "what the fuck" out loud even.
So I partially passed the Cussen Test, well it's my test I guess I can redefine it to just being read by a human, still output into the real world, I wrote to his brain...and in a way devb passed the Turing Test at the same time in the absolute loosest redefinition, in the end, with a 0-character reply, which in this forum cannot be posted.
Re:My skin was irritated for years until I found out why bec...
by medymed on Sunday April 17, 2022 @10:48PM
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Methylisothiazolinone (MI) is a preservative that along with its similarly named counterpart MCI has become popular as other preservatives are replaced.
For example, bottle fashionably labeled ‘parabens-free’ may be more likely to cause allergy if they instead use MCI and/or MI which have for several years been among top offenders all categories of chemicals for allergic contact dermatitis. whereas the frequency of parabens allergy is low [1] but it has had bad press.
Congratulations to the author on finding the likely culprit!
Re:My skin was irritated for years until I found out why bec...
by ncmncm on Monday April 18, 2022 @01:27AM
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Imagine how hard it would be to discover that your sinuses bleeding (among other things) is caused by onions and garlic, when practically everything you can buy has them in it.
Fortunately, the higher the quality, the less likely it has those. The mustard display at the supermarket has dozens of different brands and mixes. But only one lists mustard seed as the first ingredient, then vinegar and salt, and nothing else. Similarly, hot sauce. And far from the most expensive one, in each case.
Sadly, no salsa lacks them. Or pesto. And, for a short time you could get straight-up pulped avocado, but now it can only be found as "guacamole", with the onions in.
Re:My skin was irritated for years until I found out why bec...
by LanternLight83 on Monday April 18, 2022 @01:59AM
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Kroger owned stores in most regions the North-West US still carry mushed or mashed avocado, and diced+frozen is said to do when you've got time to defrost and prepare it but not enough to ripen a fresh one (haven't actually tried either yet, but soon c:)
Re:My skin was irritated for years until I found out why bec...
by vmception on Monday April 18, 2022 @09:50AM
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Everyone probably told him that he was “stressed”, “just be less stressed”, “my friend of a friend got an autoimmune condition from being stressed”, “fix your diet (remove chocolate)”
Re:My skin was irritated for years until I found out why bec...
by transfire on Sunday April 17, 2022 @10:42PM
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The modern world is a chemical dystopia. Few people understand and suffer condition after condition with erroneous diagnosis leading to even more chemicals (medicines) and more conditions.
Remove as many chemicals —- detergents, soaps, processed foods, plastics, etc from your life as you can. Your health truly depends on it.
Re:My skin was irritated for years until I found out why bec...
by netsharc on Monday April 18, 2022 @06:47AM
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Don't misuse the word "chemical", you're using it like a Gwyneth Paltrow follower is using it. Oxygen is a chemical element, should we get rid of that in our lives too?
Re:My skin was irritated for years until I found out why bec...
by treeman79 on Monday April 18, 2022 @06:57AM
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Yep. My dad did this when I was young. as I got older I found I had to do the exact same. One of my kids is the same. Autoimmune issues are so much fun.
Re:My skin was irritated for years until I found out why bec...
by kgbcia on Monday April 18, 2022 @05:16AM
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My sinus acts up when perfume is sprayed, leading to a headache. Our office bathroom also has this automatic air refreshner dispenser. On another note I wonder how much people's acne is caused by the cleansing agent they are using to prevent it.
Re:My skin was irritated for years until I found out why bec...
by Kaibeezy on Monday April 18, 2022 @04:18AM
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Good sleuthing. Disheartening social commentary: “Luckily I have a really supportive employer.” Is there one who wouldn’t remove the loo spritzer faced with this guy’s, um, face?
Re:My skin was irritated for years until I found out why bec...
by tbran on Monday April 18, 2022 @08:06AM
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If you have skin problems, there is a book called Beyond Soap by Sandy Skotnicki that runs down how to determine whether soaps, shampoos, lotions, etc. are causing dermatological problems.
A big takeaway is that virtually anything can cause irritation, including "natural" products that many of us assume are safe because they come from a plant.
She's got a long list of products that she approves of if you're trying to self-diagnose an allergy or reaction.
Re:My skin was irritated for years until I found out why bec...
by aitchnyu on Monday April 18, 2022 @09:06AM
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Me and my wife are allergic to dust mites and mold and try to eliminate them, and we have an air purifier in the bedroom. But I'm trying to find what inflames my nasal passages and generates mucus (wife's having it slightly worse). Is there a similar experiment guide for this?
Re:My skin was irritated for years until I found out why bec...
by aaron695 on Monday April 18, 2022 @12:05AM
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This is the money quote -
"This doctor suggested I have a patch test. If you haven't seen these before you basically have loads of different potential allergens stuck to your back on a Monday (including a range of chemicals including stuff like nickel), on Wednesday they are all removed and then you go back on Friday to see which bits of your skin have had an allergic reaction."
Working out it was the spray in the toilets was easy once he knew what to look for.
Asked work to change it, they did, no more reaction.
Edit: the chemical was "Methylisothiazolinone"
I have more tolerance since I’ve found and addressed the dozen other triggers. But a random whiff can cost me a week of work.
How do you do that in a restroom?
Regular cleaning, de-humidification, filling drain traps with water, and self cleaning toilets is more than enough to keep a restroom odor free.
Vast majority of people dont face any unknown effects.
This is why you need an air freshener in public toilets.
An extractor fan works wonders.
Can this be known?
This is like making shaving cream froth up.
> The active ingredient in several Febreze products is hydroxypropyl beta-cyclodextrin (HPβCD). The molecule traps and binds volatilized hydrocarbons within its structural ring, retaining malodorous molecules, which reduces their volatility and thus the perception of their scent. [0]
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Febreze
Moreover, the claim you cite references a now defunct website operated by P&G from 2005, archived version (it automatically downloads a perl script on my PC...): https://web.archive.org/web/20060515060609/http://www.scienc...
It seems that the P&G article promotes Febreze as a fabric refresher. It does not tell anything about the air fresheners from the same brand which are the topic of this thread.
These are all brand names for methylisothiazolinone (or 5-Chloro-2-Methyl-4-Isothiazolin-3-One). I wish there was a clear labelling standard for these kind of things, similar to the "E numbers" for food additives in the EU. Something like "E531" is a lot easier to identify and remember than a long list of brand names, or even methylisothiazolinone. Even just using the CAS number would be better (although CAS 26172-55-4 isn't particularly easy to remember either, at least it's not a list of 37 synonyms).
The closest second place to how guilty-mindedly deceptive those names are are the endless different names for terrorist organizations according to the CIA world factbook. Distant second place, though. Like there's no real comparison, I bet if I heard someone talk about Al Qaeda as "the Sunni-only real Muslim club" I'd just know. They don't have focus groups and psychologists testing what is the most deceptive synonym possible. Let's hope terrorists don't get any ideas from the chemical industry, knock on wood.
With these names in fact the guy can't rely on words, or thought, or documents, like he can only find out by getting poisoned by it first. The only sense he can detect it with is touch.
He's a human canary.
I do think the attitude of "oh, we tested it a little bit and it seems alright, let's put it in everything" probably not a good way to go about things, which has caused (and continues to cause) a lot of problems.
EDIT: You're doing pretty well so far, your delay is quite human. On the other hand, leetcodesucks replied to you quoting you as saying “Who hurt you” did you post and edit it out? You actually need to speak on your own behalf there, accusations in response to accusations are like questions in response to questions. I'm thinking of ways to flag you for human review, get the operator on the line. You can call that the Cussen Test, can a human reach the human behind the bot. It involves judging correctly if there is a human behind the bot, and giving up if there isn't. Bots are a myth, if you write with code it's not a bot writing, it's still a human, the man behind the curtain. Automated slander is still slander.
We're both flunking our tests.
EDIT: I loved this reply. I'll take any outcome except a tie. We're both farther away from neutrality. So for one you said I have a heart, OK I can't be polite enough to respect that, you fucked up, you know I'm a person because bots don't have hearts. I passed the Turing Test. And you are looking at my whole comment history it seems, the recent parts, because sure yeah I do talk about taking stuff in other threads, and I do say you can judge anything as you see fit, but your reply doesn't fit nicely into the conversation. So I as a matter of fact have a doctor already, maybe you should keep your insults to yourself instead of masquerading them as advice? Medical advice, at that. And the main concern with these stimulants is heart health. But in my case it does not, I took the medicine during a heart exam, no signs of problems. No heart pain. So that's odd, you are replying to my questions with answers to new questions, or medical advice, are you a psychiatrist perchance? Because you say I should stop taking it, aren't you going to ask my opinion in the matter of my psychiatric health, which I spend more money on than food? Surely I have say in the treatment, and also? Your medical advice was totally unsolicited. I never said,
So secondly, I might have gotten an operator on the line, so there's times I just don't know who's behind the characters in a string, no probability either way I just don't know. I may just have passed the Cussen Test. Well I passed your Turing Test, at least. Maybe the Cussen Test is harder.
So also, may I ask on what grounds you're giving me medical advice?
Only over digital text, like our messages in this very thread. That makes the tests equivalent, otherwise the Turing Test would be too difficult and the Cussen Test would be trivial.
So I divine I got an operator on the line, a man in charge of the devb account read my comments, but what I wrote shut him up. I think he said "what the fuck" out loud even.
So I partially passed the Cussen Test, well it's my test I guess I can redefine it to just being read by a human, still output into the real world, I wrote to his brain...and in a way devb passed the Turing Test at the same time in the absolute loosest redefinition, in the end, with a 0-character reply, which in this forum cannot be posted.
The guys anger is justified and he’s making a great point at how serious a problem and evil it is
For example, bottle fashionably labeled ‘parabens-free’ may be more likely to cause allergy if they instead use MCI and/or MI which have for several years been among top offenders all categories of chemicals for allergic contact dermatitis. whereas the frequency of parabens allergy is low [1] but it has had bad press.
Congratulations to the author on finding the likely culprit!
1. https://www.mdedge.com/dermatology/article/198135/contact-de...
Fortunately, the higher the quality, the less likely it has those. The mustard display at the supermarket has dozens of different brands and mixes. But only one lists mustard seed as the first ingredient, then vinegar and salt, and nothing else. Similarly, hot sauce. And far from the most expensive one, in each case.
Sadly, no salsa lacks them. Or pesto. And, for a short time you could get straight-up pulped avocado, but now it can only be found as "guacamole", with the onions in.
Feels like something from 1998
The quality of the writing has really gone downhill too.
(It reports blocking 21 things: 4 ads, 14 trackers, 1 annoyance, and 2 regional rules.)
lol people have no clue
Remove as many chemicals —- detergents, soaps, processed foods, plastics, etc from your life as you can. Your health truly depends on it.
A big takeaway is that virtually anything can cause irritation, including "natural" products that many of us assume are safe because they come from a plant.
She's got a long list of products that she approves of if you're trying to self-diagnose an allergy or reaction.
https://cdn.intechopen.com/pdfs/32971/InTech-Nasal_provocati...
"This doctor suggested I have a patch test. If you haven't seen these before you basically have loads of different potential allergens stuck to your back on a Monday (including a range of chemicals including stuff like nickel), on Wednesday they are all removed and then you go back on Friday to see which bits of your skin have had an allergic reaction."
Working out it was the spray in the toilets was easy once he knew what to look for.